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re: Spurrier vs Richt

Posted on 4/6/15 at 10:48 pm to
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 10:48 pm to
quote:

...for the past 5 years.


Spurrier has always been a better coach. Even when he was losing 4 out of the first 5 to UGA. He didn't take a step back as a coach just because he went to USCe.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

Spurrier has always been a better coach


agreed, now let's go tell all the recruits.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39994 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 11:02 pm to
quote:

agreed, now let's go tell all the recruits.



Already on it. I've been telling them they'll have the best coach in America till he retires after next year
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 11:04 pm to
quote:

Already on it. I've been telling them they'll have the best coach in America


I'll tell them the same thing, but I'm going to be selective on the quote to really focus on the important part.
Posted by auburnphan23
Member since Jan 2014
5862 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:30 am to
I would take Spurrier and it isn't even close. Guy won a conference championship at Duke and had 3 straight 11 win seasons at a school that probably didn't have one 11 win season before him
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:37 am to
What's funny in this thread is everyone pointing to spurrier's accomplishments at UF as a determining factor in the original question. Clearly the OP meant spurrier at SC. Everything he posted was in reference to SC:

quote:


I respect him because he brought SC out of a nobody to a team that has been consistently challenging over the past seasons.

I think Spurrier has done more with less.

Less money.
Less Alumni.
Less recruiting/talent.



UF-era spurrier is one of the 6 or 7 best coaches in the entire history of the SEC. There would be no debate, none whatsoever.

SC-era spurrier should get a ton of credit simply based on what kind of program he stepped into. But it's not like he's set the world ablaze there. It took him until his 6th year to win more than 8 games. And even though he had an excellent 3 year run, he's only won one division title there in 10 years, and it was in a year that UF/UGA/UT went a combined 20-19 (10-14). People always want to give UGA grief for winning the east when it's "down" (which is laughable), so they need to recognize SC did the same thing.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
3941 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:40 am to
He's still a better coach than Richt. Their head to head record the last 5 years is pretty one sided. I'd take him at Georgia tomorrow if I didn't think his hate for all things black and red wasn't deep enough just to take the job then tank the program.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86467 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:45 am to
quote:

He's still a better coach than Richt.


I agree. As I said in my first post, every answer would be spurrier and with good reason. But the SC-era spurrier and Richt isn't nearly as big of a gap as people would make it out to be.

quote:

Their head to head record the last 5 years is pretty one sided


Why do you just use 5 years?
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5886 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:46 am to
quote:

People always want to give UGA grief for winning the east when it's "down" (which is laughable), so they need to recognize SC did the same thing.


USC gets more grief for their SEC Championship appearance than most schools get for not even being in the damn game. So don't give me that. Nearly every poster on this board has shite all over the 2010 team, and how USC backed into it by default.

I think the true test for Spurrier's legacy at USC is what his team does this year. There's plenty of talent (especially on D), but a lot of question marks because of how unknown everything is. During the four-year run of averaging 10 wins a season, people agreed that Spurrier was essentially a miracle worker. Now that the defense was historically bad last year, (but the offense was historically good), Spurrier has "mailed it in." Maybe he has, but this year will prove what he's got left.

None of us knows what to expect out of this year's team. It's the biggest unknown in the conference.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 8:47 am
Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
Member since Apr 2011
13257 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:49 am to
quote:

People always want to give UGA grief for winning the east when it's "down" (which is laughable), so they need to recognize SC did the same thing.

That's so 2011.

Mizzou only wins when the division is down.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:51 am to
quote:

Now that the defense was historically bad last year, (but the offense was historically good), Spurrier has "mailed it in." Maybe he has, but this year will prove what he's got left.

I was referring more to the comment where he said he was going to stay 1-2 more years. That was a disaster from a program operation perspective.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
3941 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:53 am to
quote:

Why do you just use 5 years?


It takes awhile for someone to build a real program out of the steaming pile of trash USCe was 10 years ago. Even someone as talented as Spurrier isn't going to beat a team as stacked as we've been without bringing in some kind of talent first.

Now...I was skeptical about last year about beating USC. This year I think it'll be a blowout. I can't really tell you why, I just think Richt and Co beat the brakes off USC.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86467 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:58 am to
quote:

It takes awhile for someone to build a real program out of the steaming pile of trash USCe was 10 years ago.


SC went 25-22 (53%) the 4 years preceeded spurrier. In his first 5 years, they went 35-28 (56%). They were only a marginally better team his first 5 years than they were at the end of the holtz era, record wise.

Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5886 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:00 am to
quote:

I was referring more to the comment where he said he was going to stay 1-2 more years. That was a disaster from a program operation perspective.



Aye, and I absolutely agree. It was a foolish thing to say. I think he's getting more tired, and the season takes a bigger toll on him than it used to, but I don't think he's quit. Not yet, anyway.

I fully expect him to retire after the '16 season.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86467 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:04 am to
I know it's totally hypothetical and 100% impossible to even predict considering how things change drastically from year to year....but are there any names that SC fans would be interested in after spurrier leaves, assuming it's in the next 3 years?

Again, I know it's impossible to know who would be available, but are there any definites that you would say "we have to at least throw an offer at that guy no matter what"
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:06 am to
I could see Kirby Smart there
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
3941 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:07 am to
quote:

They were only a marginally better team his first 5 years than they were at the end of the holtz era, record wise.


That's what I was saying. It takes a few years to bring players in and to change the culture of a team into one that thinks they can win. He's done that and it's really shown the last few years. I'm interested to see who they hire after he calls it quits.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86467 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:11 am to
quote:

I could see Kirby Smart there


I don't see it personally.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86467 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:12 am to
quote:

It takes a few years to bring players in and to change the culture of a team into one that thinks they can win


Richt, meyer, saban, malzahn, and countless others did that far earlier than year 6.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 9:18 am to
quote:

I know it's totally hypothetical and 100% impossible to even predict considering how things change drastically from year to year....but are there any names that SC fans would be interested in after spurrier leaves, assuming it's in the next 3 years?


Hard to accurately look 3 years out, b/c the guys we would be looking at now (if need be) might be at new jobs in 3 years.

The possible candidates, I would think, would be:
Kirby Smart
D'Antonio
Urban Meyer - what?!?! We already had 2 consecutive HOF coaches, so why not?!?!
Nick Saban - Spurrier's relentless digs of "well anybody can do that at Bama," may just pay off.
John Gruden - just to piss off Tenn fans on the SECr.
Chad Morris - if he does really well at SMU.
Patterson - would love to steal him from TCU.
Butch Davis -....if this happens, it means we've turned to the dark side and the SECe is fricked.
GA Mangus - He very well might apply for it, we'll see what happens.
Bobby Pitrino - Same as Butch Davis, Dark Side, SECe fricked.

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