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re: Some of yall fit right in to an Orwell novel
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:32 am to blkhawktiger
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:32 am to blkhawktiger
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Good lord I hope this isn't a repeat of yesterday
Me too, hopefully you can post more like an adult today.
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The only way we judge teams is who they beat and who they lose to and how good those teams are. How good those other teams are matters. If you beat or lose to a bunch of SEC teams that go on to lose all their bowl games, it hurts the perception of how good/bad those teams were.
I understand that. But why can you just arbitrarily throw away 12 games worth of results and only use the final game as the end all be all? If an SEC team goes undefeated in conference and those 8 teams they beat go 3-5 in bowls, does that really diminish what they accomplished? Why are the bowl games more important than a whole seasons worth of data?
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There's a reason nobody took Northern Illinois seriously. Because they beat a bunch of teams that got their asses handed to them out of conference.
Yes, you're right. They played nobody all season. The reason that is 100% completely opposite of my point, which is still misinterpreted, is that SEC teams play an SEC schedule. My point has nothing at all to do wiht August-December. It has to do with bowl season. If Northern Illinois had breezed through their charmin soft schedule and played in a BCS bowl, don't you think that would improve their recruiting quite a bit? And thereby hur the recruiting of teams they directly recruit against?
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You can lose every OOC conference game and get to Atlanta. It's one of the rare places that perception doesn't matter, where records are all that is used
Then why did you bring it up?
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Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:33 am to blkhawktiger
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you sho is mad
Am I? I'm perfectly calm. You are one embarrassing yourself by recycling internet phrases left and right and calling me a puss. I have done nothing but converse on the topic at hand.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:34 am to Swoopin
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I think your skipping over why you like the sec though. Because we've built a brand of competitive football that is earned the way you think it's crazy to pull for
The SEC brand of competitive football is built and is not changing in the near future. In the meantime, I'll choose not to root for our conference rivals.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:35 am to Swoopin
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I think your skipping over why you like the sec though. Because we've built a brand of competitive football that is earned the way you think it's crazy to pull for
I like the SEC because of the 80 years worth of rivalries that it has fostered. If the league was crappy and nobody cared about it but it still had all the same teams I'd still like it just as much. I don't get any thrills by knowing this league has won 7 straight national titles and UGA isn't one of them.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:37 am to Hamstonian
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I think this is backwards. ESPN didn't spin a narrative. A streak of BCS championships happened. SEC media fans/media would talk about the SEC being the toughest conference, but that didn't play nationally or especially at ESPN. ESPN was one of the last places to "spin" that narrative. Reality overwhelmed them.
I'm not saying I don't think the SEC isn't dominant, but it's a convenient narrative to use the BCS Title streak as some catch all for explaining it... when in reality if Auburn loses to FSU, it has absolutely no bearing on how dominant the league is...
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:40 am to WG_Dawg
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I like the SEC because of the 80 years worth of rivalries that it has fostered. If the league was crappy and nobody cared about it but it still had all the same teams I'd still like it just as much. I don't get any thrills by knowing this league has won 7 straight national titles and UGA isn't one of them.
It helps your recruiting against non-SEC schools. I don't see how you don't get that. I mean if you want good recruits and someone's final three is UNC, Clemson and Georgia, and the kid really wants to play in the SEC because he thinks its a faster path to the NFL, are you going to hope the coach's don't sell him on that? I don't get why this makes you so mad.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:43 am to WG_Dawg
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Me too, hopefully you can post more like an adult today
ZING!!!! quote:
I understand that. But why can you just arbitrarily throw away 12 games worth of results and only use the final game as the end all be all? If an SEC team goes undefeated in conference and those 8 teams they beat go 3-5 in bowls, does that really diminish what they accomplished? Why are the bowl games more important than a whole seasons worth of data?
I didn't say it was fair. Actually I'm pretty sure I said it wasn't fair but that's reality. Here's why it matters:
A bunch of teams can beat up on each other all year. Over 8 games, that group may collectively be seen as pretty strong, as they all beat up on each other and all seem to have good wins. But the only way to gain perspective on how good those teams are is to go off of out of conference matchups. A conference can beat up on each other. But who cares when all those teams lose badly to every OOC team they play? If OOC matchups & bowl games didn't matter, an 8-4 Sun Belt team and an 8-4 SEC team would be viewed as equals. Same goes with 12-0 SEC vs 12-0 MAC or Mountain West. The only way to gauge a team's schedule (and strength) is how those other teams do in their other 11 games. How do you not see this?
This post was edited on 12/27/13 at 10:46 am
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:45 am to TeLeFaWx
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It helps your recruiting against non-SEC schools
"hey don't go to FSU, go to UGA we win titles in the SEC."
-isn't FSU in the title game this year?
"Yeah, well..the SEC has won the last 7 titles!"
-how many did UGA win?
Yeah, solid recruiting pitch.
The SEC brand can help sway kids to come here, but it ultimately doesn't help us with 5 or 6 other SEC teams being stronger than us.
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I mean if you want good recruits and someone's final three is UNC, Clemson and Georgia
That's irrelevant...what if the kid's final 3 is bama, auburn, and UGA?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:45 am to TeLeFaWx
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It helps your recruiting against non-SEC schools. I don't see how you don't get that. I mean if you want good recruits and someone's final three is UNC, Clemson and Georgia, and the kid really wants to play in the SEC because he thinks its a faster path to the NFL, are you going to hope the coach's don't sell him on that? I don't get why this makes you so mad.
That's pretty rare for us. The two times i can think of a similar group of finalists were Keith Marshall and Todd Gurley. UNC wasn't really in it, but we got KM because we were his childhood favorite, and we got TG because of our offense and his friendship with KM.
We are recruiting against SEC schools the vast majority of the time.
This post was edited on 12/27/13 at 10:46 am
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:49 am to WG_Dawg
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Why are the bowl games more important than a whole seasons worth of data?
Short answer: Add in the early OOC match-ups and they are the only way to put what you've done IN conference in a nationwide perspective.
Like it or not, that's reality and that's how the SEC has built its image to where it is. Without all those sparkling bowl records (LSU
) and victories in OOC matchups, the SEC is viewed no differently than the Big10, Big12, etc. Gotta run. Another day
This post was edited on 12/27/13 at 10:53 am
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:00 am to WG_Dawg
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Those teams winning a national title only makes [recruiting in GA] easier.
I understand your point. But you have to see that if they all lose all their OOC games then it makes Georgia's losses to them even worse and the wins don't mean as much. Eventually the whole conference gets tagged as inferior and we can all start recruiting like the MAC or WAC.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:02 am to Crowknowsbest
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We are recruiting against SEC schools the vast majority of the time.
And other times you aren't. You aren't recruiting exclusively against other SEC teams...
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:03 am to Aux Arc
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But you have to see that if they all lose all their OOC games then it makes Georgia's losses to them even worse and the wins don't mean as much
No, not really. A kid isn't going to be impressed that we lost to auburn if they go on to win the national title, it's still a loss. What's our pitch there? "Yeah, we lost, but hey there were really good last year!"
Our recruiting is helped by others not being elite.
This post was edited on 12/27/13 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:04 am to WG_Dawg
Frick you for writing a novel and frick the SEC fans (except Ole Miss. For you DMagic)
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:05 am to TeLeFaWx
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And other times you aren't. You aren't recruiting exclusively against other SEC teams...
The times that we aren't, let's say we're in the final 2 with virginia tech, we are only trying to make us look better than that other team. So what auburn (for instance, since they are in the title) does doesnt' matter in your scenario. Whether they win or they lose it wouldn't matter. So if it's a wash, why should I want them to win?
A pitch you make to kids is your history. We've won x amount of titles. We've been to x amount of BCS bowls, we've done this and we've won that. If the other schools you're competing against have more of that stuff, it makes them more desirable. Auburn racking up another national title isn't going to help UGA in recruits' living rooms.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:07 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Frick you for writing a novel
I'm shocked this went this long without that kinda comment. I started to put :inb4thispostisaslongasanorwellnovel: but hell that's even long for an inb4 disclaimer so I left that out too
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:07 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:08 am to WG_Dawg
We Love Big Brother..Go SEC!
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:09 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
He had finally given in. He loved big brother.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:13 am to WG_Dawg
I'm pro-SEC for a couple of reasons that other schools aren't:
1. frick the B12 - want to marginalize them as much as possible
2. Future Mizzou success in recruiting will come from kids in B1G and B12 territory wanting to play in the best conference in CFB
1. frick the B12 - want to marginalize them as much as possible
2. Future Mizzou success in recruiting will come from kids in B1G and B12 territory wanting to play in the best conference in CFB
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