re: Some of yall fit right in to an Orwell novel

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Aubie Spr96

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I get what you're saying, and agree to an extent.

And looking at UGA recruiting classes, we get our fair share of good guys. We typically have a top 10 class. But the LSU's, bamas, floridas end up with top 3 or 4 classes. It's not just because those teams are in the SEC, it's because those teams win national titles. Getting one or two more elite, 5*, top 15 national type players can be the difference between winning the east and winning the SEC.

And other schools winning national titles can sway those one or two guys into going to other schools and not UGA. That's my point.

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but playing an SEC schedule is important to kids

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I know, and I've acknowledged that playing for an SEC team is a good draw. But what's an even BETTER draw is winning titles. In the mid 2000s kids would rather play for USC than bama, despite bama being SEC and being a top 2 program of all time, because USC was in the title hunt every year.

Teams that we play against (and recruit against) every year winning titles is detrimental to UGA.

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Teams that we play against (and recruit against) every year winning titles is detrimental to UGA.

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This explains a lot.......

Frick it. I'll bite. This will be long.

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Say the SEC goes 0-fer in bowls except SC. If all the ACC people say, which is stupid btw, "lol the SEC sucks look at all the bowl games!" you could easily say "Ummm..Carolina won didn't they?" Why should you put SEC pride over SC pride?

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I'll go along with SC because that's who you used. You shouldn't have SEC pride over SC pride but how the conference performs in bowls does matter. A lot.

In a sport where 2/3's of your season is played IN conference, a huge amount of a team's strength is gauged on how they did in those SEC games. Now, I understand that the transitive property doesn't work on the field in football, but it often is applied in the perception of how good/bad a team is.

If SC had 8 wins against those SEC teams and they lost all 8 bowl games, people will perceive SC to be a lesser team because they have victories over a bunch of teams that were obviously overrated. Same goes with wins/losses of SEC teams in big non-conference matchups to begin/end the regular season. It's not always fair, but that's the effect of winning/losing out of conference games.

Georgia - Boise St in 2011. That loss out of conference hurt the perception of Georgia throughout that season as well as every team that Georgia beat later that year (which was quite a few). The pollsters/media see every team that georgia beats (fair or not) as a team that Boise st would beat as well. South Carolina's win over Georgia a week after Boise was totally lessened in its national attention because Boise had the same result a week earlier. It DOES matter what the rest of the conference does. It's all about perception.

There's always exceptions. Most people really didn't think of Utah in 2008 as being better than the rest of the SEC because they beat Alabama. But passes like that are rare and how a conference is judged is based overwhelmingly on how those teams perform out of conference. There's a reason the ACC is viewed so pitifully as it is. Go look at its BCS bowl record and tell me it doesn't matter.

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If SC had 8 wins against those SEC teams and they lost all 8 bowl games, people will perceive SC to be a lessor team because they have victories over a bunch of teams that were obviously overrated.

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I see where you're going, but I don't agree. Who's to say those teams are overrated, and not just worse than their bowl opponent? A 3 or 4 loss SEC team playing a 2 loss team from another conference doesn't necessarily make SC look bad.

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It's not always fair, but that's the effect of winning/losing out of conference games

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I still don't agree. Let's use USC and UGA. UGA won the game. If SC loses their bowl game, will anyone really try to make UGA look worse for beating them?

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Georgia - Boise St in 2011. That loss out of conference hurt the perception of Georgia throughout that season

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Only because of the name on their helmet. Boise was a top 8 team while UGA was hovering around 20th. Any rational person would see that wasn't a bad loss. And you talk about "perception"..UGA went on to play for the SEC, despite any perceptions about us. What if UGA had held on and beaten #1 LSU in that game..would it matter that we lost to a top 10 boise team 3 months earlier?

So from your point of view, uga would be in just as great or better of shape if it went to a lesser conference such as sunbelt or Conf USA?

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So from your point of view, uga would be in just as great or better of shape if it went to a lesser conference such as sunbelt or Conf USA?

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Sigh...

No, and never said as much. I never said I don't like being in the SEC, I'm glad we're here. But like I just said in my last post, it makes it easier for our neighbors that we directly recruit against (and in most cases play against every year) to get top talent if they have won a title. My ultimate concern is UGA, so anything that can help us is what I want. And it helps us by being able to outrecruit those other teams...which is made easier if they aren't all winning 10 games and/or national titles.

Good lord I hope this isn't a repeat of yesterday. I had hope you were just hungover from xmas. I'll try again....

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I still don't agree. Let's use USC and UGA. UGA won the game. If SC loses their bowl game, will anyone really try to make UGA look worse for beating them?

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The only way we judge teams is who they beat and who they lose to and how good those teams are. How good those other teams are matters. If you beat or lose to a bunch of SEC teams that go on to lose all their bowl games, it hurts the perception of how good/bad those teams were. It is the only thing we have to go off of. How else do you wanna judge a team? There's a reason nobody took Northern Illinois seriously. Because they beat a bunch of teams that got their asses handed to them out of conference.

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UGA went on to play for the SEC, despite any perceptions about us.

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Good lord division championships have nothing to do with voting. You got in because of record, not perception or voting. You can lose every OOC conference game and get to Atlanta. It's one of the rare places that perception doesn't matter, where records are all that is used.

I think your skipping over why you like the sec though. Because we've built a brand of competitive football that is earned the way you think it's crazy to pull for

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And just like yesterday, you post like you're in a 10th grade computers class when the teacher isn't watching. Butthurt? A puss? Sorry having a different opinion makes me a puss.

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you sho is mad


ETA: it's not that you have a different opinion... It's a matter of what that difference is. You'd rather play the easiest schedule imaginable just to see georgia win as many games as possible. Screw having to beat anybody worth a damn to accomplish that goal. Am I right?