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re: So peen st just buys off the ncaa
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:12 pm to MrAUTigers
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:12 pm to MrAUTigers
Is "band" a sports activity, are there athletic scholarships for "band"? Just the same if the band is active as part of sporting events the rule could cover it, it's written with a degree of vagueness for a reason, do you really think they need to write rules against "pedophiles" specifically or "it doesn't count"? You are way out of your depth in knowledge and understanding.
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Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:15 pm to MrAUTigers
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So you are saying that the NCAA has the power to take away scholarships, vacate wins, and force a bowl ban if a student athlete rapes another student on campus or in the AD? That is within their rights?
ETA What was the NCAA punishment against Florida A&M for the band hazing death they had?
The difference, you fricktard, is that Paterno and the University covered up the criminal acts of a football coach and soemone who was formally associated with the football program in order to protect the reputation of the program and University. They had knowledge of criminal acts being committed within the football complex and did nothing by this coach or ex-coach still assocaited with the program. The NCAA had every right to levy sanctions against the program.
This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:15 pm to Jagd Tiger
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do you really think they need to write rules against "pedophiles" specifically or "it doesn't count"? You are way out of your depth in knowledge and understanding.
So, AGAIN, what you are saying is the NCAA can limit scholarships, place a bowl ban, and vacate wins if a student athlete rapes an individual on campus or in the AD? The NCAA has that power?
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:16 pm to 14&Counting
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The difference, you fricktard, is that Paterno and the University covered up the criminal acts of a football coach and soemone who was formally associated with the football program in order to protect the reputation of the program and University.
EXACTLY. SO IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The NCAA had every right to levy sanctions against the program.
So why is the NCAA abandoning their sanctions after this?
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This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:18 pm to MrAUTigers
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EXACTLY. SO IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:19 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:23 pm to MrAUTigers
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So why is the NCAA abandoning their sanctions after this?
WTF is that crap you are linking? A defamation suit by Paterno's family?
B.S. Your position is that the NCAA had no business levying sanctions against the football program becuase of a criminal act was committed.
I am pointing out to you, the crimes, i.e. the sex abuse and subsequent cover-up, were committed by football staff members and University officials. They coverd it up why? To protect the repuation and integrity of said football program and the University that program is associated with.....
Sorted? Good.......
This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:27 pm to 14&Counting
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. Your position is that the NCAA had no business levying sanctions against the football program becuase of a criminal act was committed.
That is exactly my position. Apparently they feel the same way, seeing as how they are back pedaling on every single sanction they hit Penn State with. The NCAA is a collegiate enforcer of athletics. They have no jurisdiction in criminal matters. They don't even have the power to subpoena student athletes or coaches when it is a matter under their domain.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:31 pm to MrAUTigers
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This sad thing had nothing to do with football.
This is VERY true. What if Sandusky had been a professor in the biology department, for example. Do you sanction the biology department at PSU? The thought is laughable.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:35 pm to MrAUTigers
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That is exactly my position. Apparently they feel the same way, seeing as how they are back pedaling on every single sanction they hit Penn State with. The NCAA is a collegiate enforcer of athletics. They have no jurisdiction in criminal matters. They don't even have the power to subpoena student athletes or coaches when it is a matter under their domain.
First of all, The NCAA is a joke and a fraud but you knew that already. However, they can and still do regulate college athletics....and if an athletic department is involved in criminal behavior then they have a right to enforce penalties over the program. Prosecuting a criminal matter is not in their purview. Regulating a football program is and if a program is involved in wrongdoing then they are within their rights to act.
It's disgraceful the NCAA is backing off their decision on Penn State. Bama forefitted an entire season of games because a player signed a napkin in a Bourbon Street bar....a Penn State coach rapes children and the coaching staff and admin. cover it up but they should skate?
WTF kind of world are we living in??????
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:38 pm to 14&Counting
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Paterno and the University covered up the criminal acts of a football coach
In hindsight, the university should have done an independent investigation rather than take JoPa's word for it. To his eternal shame, JoPa lied and hurt many lives because of that. But nevertheless, I don't buy your argument that a) the athletic department or the University knew of any foul play; or b) the NCAA should have sanctioned the football program for something totally unrelated to football beyond the fact that the tragic crimes were committed by a football coach.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:46 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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I don't buy your argument that a) the athletic department or the University knew of any foul play;
Did you even follow the case?, they absolutely knew and a coach witnessed the rape of a child. Instead of calling the police, he reported it to the coach, who in turn reported to admin., and they all collectively decided to do nothing.
the NCAA should have sanctioned the football program for something totally unrelated to football beyond the fact that the tragic crimes were committed by a football coach.
It's totally related to football as the crimes were committed by football staff and they remained silent to protect their reputation. They covered it up so there wouldn't be a negative impact on the program. They didn't report the crimes becaus they were afraid the football program would suffer.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 5:49 pm to 14&Counting
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he reported it to the coach, who in turn reported to admin
I didn't know he had reported it to higher ups. I had understood that he was silent about it. It's obviously much worse that it was an institutional cover up.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 6:31 pm to 14&Counting
The Pennsylvania Attorney General indicted the school president and athletic director for a possible coverup and did NOT indict Paterno. In fact, she praised Paterno in how he handled his reporting. Those guys have trials upcoming and if they are proven to have covered up anything, they will go to jail. Sandusky is in jail where he should be.
It's not known if the assistant coach McQuery told Paterno or the admins about a child rape. Paterno was told something, possibly nothing more than horseplay, and reported it to his superiors as required. Whatever McQuery told then was mild enough that a medical doctor simply told McQuery to tell Paterno and did not tell McQuery to go directly to the police. Paterno admitted later he didn't want to interfere in any investigation.
Collectively decided? No evidence of that. There was one sentence in one email where the admin said he was going to 'talk to coach'. No evidence that it was discussed later with Paterno and certainly no evidence that they collectively decided anything.
Remained silent to protect their reputation? Afraid the football program would suffer? You and everyone else who said this is a mind reader from 1,000 miles and 10 years away. No evidence of that. Nothing in the thousands of emails. Simply made up.
The NCAA has been proven to trick/bluff Penn State into accepting the sanctions, and the chairman of the NCAA enforcement committee admitted he didn't read the Freeh report or the sanctions before putting them on Penn State.
The NCAA doesn't want this in court. The Penn State people and Paternos DO want this in court with as much as possible admitted into evidence. Who's hiding? Not Penn State.
It's not known if the assistant coach McQuery told Paterno or the admins about a child rape. Paterno was told something, possibly nothing more than horseplay, and reported it to his superiors as required. Whatever McQuery told then was mild enough that a medical doctor simply told McQuery to tell Paterno and did not tell McQuery to go directly to the police. Paterno admitted later he didn't want to interfere in any investigation.
Collectively decided? No evidence of that. There was one sentence in one email where the admin said he was going to 'talk to coach'. No evidence that it was discussed later with Paterno and certainly no evidence that they collectively decided anything.
Remained silent to protect their reputation? Afraid the football program would suffer? You and everyone else who said this is a mind reader from 1,000 miles and 10 years away. No evidence of that. Nothing in the thousands of emails. Simply made up.
The NCAA has been proven to trick/bluff Penn State into accepting the sanctions, and the chairman of the NCAA enforcement committee admitted he didn't read the Freeh report or the sanctions before putting them on Penn State.
The NCAA doesn't want this in court. The Penn State people and Paternos DO want this in court with as much as possible admitted into evidence. Who's hiding? Not Penn State.
This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 1/16/15 at 6:47 pm to Jagd Tiger
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certainly not out of the question based on the idiocy the NCAA displays on a daily basis. I have read the bylaws but either you haven't or you don't understand what you're reading. Either way the failure is yours.
LOL I am not an NCAA official but I play one on the internet
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lol, case closed, you're a pile of retard shite to come back with that stupidity.
Personal insults only show how small minded you are tough guy.
Posted on 1/16/15 at 7:10 pm to higgs_boson
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LOL I am not an NCAA official but I play one on the internet
you play a buffoon on the internet, and that is one thing you are most certainly capable of
Posted on 1/16/15 at 7:18 pm to 14&Counting
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hilarious isn't it,,, this moron clings to some notion that a "criminal" offense precludes being an NCAA violation. Must have been a PE major... lol
Posted on 1/16/15 at 7:25 pm to Jagd Tiger
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this moron clings to some notion that a "criminal" offense precludes being an NCAA violation.
The NCAA agrees with this moron.
Your ramblings make you look like a buffoon with no leg to stand on.....the NCAA back pedaling on every sanction proves this.
I wonder why the NCAA hasn't stepped in about this cover up?
Posted on 1/16/15 at 9:27 pm to MedDawg
I'm not sure who i am more disgusted by...Jerry Sandusky or fans like you. Sandusky is just a sociopath, a hard-wired predator. You on the other hand are nothing more than a sniveling, little coward apologist. Take that grinder logo off and put your Pedo State colors on....
Of course they didn't indicte Paterno as you can't indicte a dead man. McQuery told Paterno exactly what he saw: Sandusky in the showers after hours when there was no reason whatsoever to be there with an underage adolescent and heard sex noise...i.e. "rythmic slapping" coming from the showers. Are you stupid enough to believe that McQuery somehow fullfilled his responsibility by informing a goddamn fooball coach or Paterno informing the AD? Are you fricking serious? Of course Paterno didn't want to get involved
Collectively decided? You are goddamn right....they collectively made that decision by remaining silent and doing nothing....there is no other conclusion you deluded fool. Furthermore there was extensive circumstantial evidence about Sandusky going back years prior to the shower incident that was well known to Paterno and PSU. Lastly its laughable that Penn State is somehow intimidated by the NCAA....None of this is even disputable.
I have more respect for Jerry Sandusky than I do for pathetic fans like you who rationalize the situation and make excuses simply because you need for validation through college football.
Of course they didn't indicte Paterno as you can't indicte a dead man. McQuery told Paterno exactly what he saw: Sandusky in the showers after hours when there was no reason whatsoever to be there with an underage adolescent and heard sex noise...i.e. "rythmic slapping" coming from the showers. Are you stupid enough to believe that McQuery somehow fullfilled his responsibility by informing a goddamn fooball coach or Paterno informing the AD? Are you fricking serious? Of course Paterno didn't want to get involved
Collectively decided? You are goddamn right....they collectively made that decision by remaining silent and doing nothing....there is no other conclusion you deluded fool. Furthermore there was extensive circumstantial evidence about Sandusky going back years prior to the shower incident that was well known to Paterno and PSU. Lastly its laughable that Penn State is somehow intimidated by the NCAA....None of this is even disputable.
I have more respect for Jerry Sandusky than I do for pathetic fans like you who rationalize the situation and make excuses simply because you need for validation through college football.
This post was edited on 1/16/15 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 1/16/15 at 11:52 pm to Jagd Tiger
I agree with you. Paterno got off easy by dying otherwise he would be facing criminal charges. He gets his wins back but the victims are stained with this forever. Pathetic
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