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re: So LSU's AD Suddenly Has The Trust of Fans?
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:04 pm to Team Vote
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:04 pm to Team Vote
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Jimbo was the rumor because of his history and connections at LSU coupled with him going through a major life change.
You mean his divorce and such? I can believe it.
And I want to be clear- I am not saying LSU can't hire a good coach. I think even Joe could easily hire (for example) Kiffin if he wanted, hell Saban might even wrap him with a bow for yall like he did with Smart and Georgia. And I think Kiffin- along with a dozen other coaches- could have success at LSU. My point isn't yall won't make a good hire.
My point has to do with the LSU mindset, in particular the huge disconnect between "firing Les" and "hiring for sure a guy who we all like."
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An established political machine drove this hire moreso than anything.
Exactly my point. If local incompetent politicians screw up the hire of the freaking basketball coach there is a 100% chance they will stick their fingers in the stew when it comes to hiring a football coach.
Herman will take one look at a situation where the governor expects his feet to be kissed and say "frick that, I can wait it out for the Texas job."
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 4:06 pm
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:13 pm to cardboardboxer
I have been saying this for two years now.
Joe Allegra is the problem. He has no trust and will not attract a good replacement for Les.
He sucks.
Joe Allegra is the problem. He has no trust and will not attract a good replacement for Les.
He sucks.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:15 pm to cardboardboxer
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Melting?
Not even close.
Only ONE program the last twenty years has replaced a national title winning coach with another. ONE. And they had the new guy lined up and in the program already (FSU).
EVERY OTHER PROGRAM has had a huge setback when they fire the hall-of-fame guy or his protege- Texas, USC, Miami, Nebraska, etc.
Yet LSU is going to break that streak with the most incompetent AD in the SEC? That doesn't even seem like a possibility. As a Aggie yall firing five-in-a-row Les would be the greatest thing ever personally.
I am NOT trolling and trying to be serious to point out that my concern goes beyond my fandom. I am just trying to figure out where the newfound confidence comes from.
um, LSU replaced one national title winning coach with another, soooo maybe they are the exception the the "rule." Or did you forget Saban and Miles are the last two LSU coaches?
Miles is going to be replaced sooner or later regardless. I'd rather it be sooner before Les lets the program sink further. Les isn't winning another national title either. I'd rather give the next guy a better chance with a program that doesn't need to be rebuilt from the ground up.
And what are you talking about with Miami? Jimmy Johnson and Butch Davis both bolted for the NFL. Miami replaced Johnosn with Erickson who also won a national title. Erickson was fired after Miami was put on probation. Larry Coker won a national title the year after Butch left.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:17 pm to lsufball19
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I'd rather it be sooner before Les lets the program sink further. Les isn't winning another national title either. I'd rather give the next guy a better chance with a program that doesn't need to be rebuilt from the ground up.
He isn't going to sink the program with the recruiting classes he is bringing in
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:18 pm to rockiee
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He isn't going to sink the program with the recruiting classes he is bringing in
then why has LSU been getting progressively worse? Eventually those recruits aren't going to keep coming in if the results on the field don't get better.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:19 pm to cardboardboxer
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But maybe I am missing something big, hence the thread
You are, I'll highlight the three I noticed
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Still I look at Les's team and I see a bunch of offensive players signed for an offensive system that no top notch college coach yall could hire will run. So the offense is probably a rebuild if we look at it objectively, and I know many Tiger fans would like that.
Part of Les' problem is that he is recruiting guys that would be successful in an open offense to play old school football. Look at Harris. Look at Jennings before him. Look at our receivers. We have 2 incredibly athletic tight ends on the roster that can't run block for shite. Fournette played an option offense in high school. If there is an adjustment, it would be in the line. Not insignificant, but it's not like they are lighting it up currently.
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"Cardboard, we don't care if we maybe take a step back. Les's time is up, we are wasting seasons on him, and we would rather start the cycle (which might be long) of rebuilding into a new program under a new guy because that is our only chance of one day getting better"
Most rational fans feel this is an acceptable outcome but still think a new coach could come in and be successful.
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I guess to me given what you tell us yall need a new offensive coordinator, not a new head coach.
We are done blaming QB's. We are done blaming OC's. We've had multiple iterations of the same old dogshit offense and Les is out of people to pass the buck on. He is the constant. He had the opportunity to bring in something fresh and get the frick out of the way like TCU, Oklahoma, and now Texas have done, and he stuck with his buddies and his dick measuring offense. Even anti-HUNH Saban was smart enough to see that it was the past and not the present/future, he brought in Kiffin. The fanbase has no energy for it anymore and the admins see the peril in LSU fans starting to give up on the program.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:19 pm to lsufball19
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then why has LSU been getting progressively worse?
In what? Recruiting or Results?
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:19 pm to cardboardboxer
fire them all
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:20 pm to rockiee
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In what? Recruiting or Results?
results
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:27 pm to lsufball19
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results
I mean I see no issues with LSU fans wanting to fire Les but lets not act like he is going to sink the program because he averages like 10 wins a season.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:28 pm to rockiee
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I mean I see no issues with LSU fans wanting to fire Les but lets not act like he is going to sink the program because he averages like 10 wins a season.
he won 8 in 2014 and 9 last year. I don't see 10 wins on the schedule this year. do you? I'm having a hard time seeing more than 8. If 8 or 9 wins becomes the norm, I wouldn't expect him to continue pulling in top 5-10 recruiting classes every year
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:28 pm to thelawnwranglers
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fire them all
Yes, but in proper order. Starting with Allegra.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:38 pm to lsufball19
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9 last year
With one less game played that was a sure fire win, come on man
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I don't see 10 wins on the schedule this year. do you? I'm having a hard time seeing more than 8. If 8 or 9 wins becomes the norm, I wouldn't expect him to continue pulling in top 5-10 recruiting classes every year
I see 9 or 8, maybe 7 if he lets the team fall apart. I understand where LSU fans are coming from because its all relative but it would be much more concerning if his recruited started to trail off after 2012. My point is that whenever you do chose to fire him, the coach coming in is still going to have to talent available to win.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:45 pm to rockiee
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but it would be much more concerning if his recruited started to trail off after 2012.
Top 5 recruiting = expectation of top 5 results. LSU hasn't even gotten top 10 results since 2012.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:46 pm to Team Vote
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Top 5 recruiting = expectation of top 5 results
Normally yes but it doesn't always work that way and you have one of the best coaches ever in the division.
But like I said earlier, don't think LSU fans are being unreasonable when wanting him to be fired. I do believe they should play the season out first though.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:54 pm to rockiee
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But like I said earlier, don't think LSU fans are being unreasonable when wanting him to be fired. I do believe they should play the season out first though.
Me too, barring something catastrophic. Many, many parallels to this and Nutt's last days at Arkansas.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 4:58 pm to Team Vote
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Many, many parallels to this and Nutt's last days at Arkansas
I could kind of see that but lets not compare them as coaches
Posted on 9/7/16 at 6:32 pm to Team Vote
Fair enough. I can respect that.
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