re: So LSU's AD Suddenly Has The Trust of Fans?

not sure where you have been, but we pretty much want everyone from Les on up to the system president fired

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Every LSU fan I know in real life (which is a lot as I was born in NOLA

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delusion

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yeah you got that part right, just maybe should be directed to the man in the mirror


"I know people in New Orleans!!!"

No we dont like the governor or anyone meddling in LSU AD affairs. It makes us sick and furious. We just know that the potential impact that retaining miles will have on the program far outweighs the penalty of buying out the staffs and getting a new coach.

High level TAF members have made themselves clear and the boosters are willing to bolt. Change will be had mid season.

You know all of that how again?

Think TAMU replacing RC Slocum. Or Michigan replacing Lloyd Carr.

And shudder.

It ain't easy to follow up a success with another.

Our thought process is that cutting the tumor out of the program is the first step and it's a major accomplishment to finally get it done. We've been basically dealing with that terrible OC y'all had but 100x worse since 2008. QBs getting worse over time, no creativity, etc etc.

The talent on the roster is great and the talent in-state will always be rich. All we hope for is a head coach with some sense of how to run an offense and motivate his players.

The coup last year was unsuccessful but we came very close to getting Fisher. I've used this analogy before, and I'll say it again, fisher had to return the purple and gold ties to the store.

If we got that close last year to a deal being done with that much external and internal resistance, it should be a cakewalk to get a solid coach this year.

I don't think Herman will be the first choice. I think Fisher is still the target and I think they're gonna back the Brinks truck into his driveway and tell him to name the price. The TAF and boosters are going to be throwing money at him.

Cardboard, I know you are not a troll so I'll answer seriously. We are either definitely going nowhere fast with Les or we can take a chance with someone new who might be successful. Les complemented the things that make LSU a great program, he didn't create them. Those advantages will still be there when he is gone, and LSU could maybe even have a competent offense. Doesn't mean there is no chance the new guy will struggle, obviously. But this won't be a rebuild by any stretch.

As for Alleva, he generally sucks but I credit him for at least trying to get out in front of this last season before being torpedoed by LA politics and the BoS member that talked to the press. Joe won't be working alone, there are highly qualified and competent people on his side.

F King can jog backwards in a field of dicks.

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Our thought process is that cutting the tumor out of the program is the first step and it's a major accomplishment to finally get it done.

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I guess it just seems like the second step to me. Most programs who replace a major head coach replace the AD first and let the new AD make the big hire.

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The talent on the roster is great and the talent in-state will always be rich. All we hope for is a head coach with some sense of how to run an offense and motivate his players.

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I get where you are coming from but to me that sounds a lot like Texas fans circa 2013. They never saw the losing seasons coming.

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If we got that close last year to a deal being done with that much external and internal resistance, it should be a cakewalk to get a solid coach this year.

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The problem is that we are in an era where it's harder than ever to get a top notch coach even at a top notch job. I mean look at recent major hires:

-Texas expected Saban, got Strong

-Nebraska expected someone exciting, got Mike Riley

-USC wanted Sumlin or some sort of Power 5 coach like that, ended up with a drunk and then an absolute abortion of a hire

The only blueblood programs that got the big hire they wanted the last couple of years have been Ohio St and Michigan, and Ohio St had perfect timing (there is no Urban just sitting out there today) and Michigan was his alma mater. I am not trying to say LSU is doomed to fail if Les moves on, far from it, I am just pointed out that the recent trend is its harder and harder to make a splash hire.

Not to be a hater, but the odds of LSU getting Jimbo are near 0%. Not because LSU is a bad job, it just isn't THAT much better than FSU. To get Jimbo yall would have to pay an amount that wouldn't fly optics-wise with the local politics (like $10 million a year) or with college football in general (y'all would be blamed for raising the salary ceiling). Stealing another blueblood coach is just too hard to do unless your AD is running like a top, as Texas learned the hard way. And LSU's isn't running like a top.


I guess that is part of being a fan, ignoring everything that isn't in front of you. I get that.

Thank you for the straight-forward discussion.

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We are either definitely going nowhere fast with Les or we can take a chance with someone new who might be successful. Les complemented the things that make LSU a great program, he didn't create them. Those advantages will still be there when he is gone, and LSU could maybe even have a competent offense. Doesn't mean there is no chance the new guy will struggle, obviously. But this won't be a rebuild by any stretch.

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First of all thank you for the serious response, I really am just trying to get a better understanding of it all.

Here is the disconnect for me:

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Those advantages will still be there when he is gone, and LSU could maybe even have a competent offense. Doesn't mean there is no chance the new guy will struggle, obviously. But this won't be a rebuild by any stretch

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I mean, no one EXPECTS a rebuild. Hell even Mizzou fans fooled themselves into thinking they could replace their greatest coach in 50 years and not miss a beat. That is part of fandom.

Still I look at Les's team and I see a bunch of offensive players signed for an offensive system that no top notch college coach yall could hire will run. So the offense is probably a rebuild if we look at it objectively, and I know many Tiger fans would like that.

On the defense LSU has tons of talent and access to more, but I know a big part of the success is all the great coordinators like Raymond that have created a stable situation for the players even with new DCs coming in. It seems like a new coach would want his guys (usually does) which means you can't assume the current progress in place will stay in place when the new guy comes in. In fact it almost never does.

I guess what I am saying is that a lot of things are getting wrapped together that maybe shouldn't be- ie firing Les, replacing Les, taking that next step, etc.

Now if yall were to tell me:

"Cardboard, we don't care if we maybe take a step back. Les's time is up, we are wasting seasons on him, and we would rather start the cycle (which might be long) of rebuilding into a new program under a new guy because that is our only chance of one day getting better"

I could respect the frick out of that. I could completely sympathize with that. That would have me agreeing "bye Les."

But that is not what LSU fans put out. LSU fans put out this concept of basically "we will replace Les and everything will be the same except the offense which will magically be better under Jimbo/Herman/Jesus/Whoever and we will frick the SEC like a 800lb gorilla with a chainsaw penis."

I guess to me given what you tell us yall need a new offensive coordinator, not a new head coach. But maybe I am missing something big, hence the thread.