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re: So, Longo & McGriff to Ole Miss as OC and DC
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:13 pm to HottyToddy7
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:13 pm to HottyToddy7
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Yea but when your 4-2-5 can't stop the run you don't beat anyone.
Doesn't matter what kind of defense you have when your linebackers are shite. They would have been just as shitty in a 4-3 this year.
And you're right about Conner. That is the most important single position on the field and he obviously never recovered from the knee injury. Solid Husky play and we have an easy ability to mimic a 4-3 defense whenever the situation calls for it. That's what I liked about our defense. It isn't a true 4-2-5 nor is it a 4-3....but you have the option to line up as either.
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Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:14 pm to DeltaDoc
Longo is a very intriguing hire. Ran a high-powered offense at Sam Houston and only had 26 plays in his playbook...but each pass play depends on WR reads as well as the QB...
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:16 pm to OldPete
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Longo is a very intriguing hire. Ran a high-powered offense at Sam Houston and only had 26 plays in his playbook...but each pass play depends on WR reads as well as the QB...
Perfect. That's the premise of our offense already.
Our rushing plays also always had a built-in option to pass the ball.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:17 pm to pankReb
I also think that Nkemdichie masked a lot of the flaws of the defense because he took on 2 and sometimes more blockers which made the defense go. We saw without that and when teams could put a hat on a hat, we got gashed.
Also switching to a 4-3 allows you to recruit LBs. That is one of the reasons we have no LBs is because no NFL team runs it and kids want to get to the league. Call it a 4-3 then run nickle 60% of the time, I'm fine with that but we have to be more talented at that spot.
Also switching to a 4-3 allows you to recruit LBs. That is one of the reasons we have no LBs is because no NFL team runs it and kids want to get to the league. Call it a 4-3 then run nickle 60% of the time, I'm fine with that but we have to be more talented at that spot.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:19 pm to HottyToddy7
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Also switching to a 4-3 allows you to recruit LBs. That is one of the reasons we have no LBs is because no NFL team runs it and kids want to get to the league. Call it a 4-3 then run nickle 60% of the time, I'm fine with that but we have to be more talented at that spot.
We don't have 2 LBs on the roster that could start at any other school in the conference and you want to put more of them on the field?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:19 pm to OldPete
I only watched SHSU vs James Madison. That was one ugly performance on both sides of the ball for Sam Houston.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:21 pm to mmjones87
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We don't have 2 LBs on the roster that could start at any other school in the conference and you want to put more of them on the field?
I would say that his whole point went right over your head.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:21 pm to mmjones87
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We don't have 2 LBs on the roster that could start at any other school in the conference and you want to put more of them on the field?
Long run brah. It is a fact that high school kids that are highly recruited LBs, don't want to play in a 4-2-5 system. So we can keep the system with inferior athletes and get gashed for 5 yards a pop against any team with a pulse, or change the scheme to a 4-3, get competent LB play, and actually stop some teams along the way.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:23 pm to pankReb
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We don't exactly have the personnel to run the 4-3
We honestly don't have the personnel for any formation at the moment.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:24 pm to mmjones87
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We don't have 2 LBs on the roster that could start at any other school in the conference and you want to put more of them on the field?
That's my issue. We've already wasted one year of eligibility on Shea due to shite defensive play...I don't want to waste another year or two on purpose because we have to change our defensive scheme.
And how many teams do we regularly face that are power run teams? Arkansas and who? Bama has a great run game but they don't aren't really a "power run" team anymore.(pending their new OC hire and his sceme).
MSU, Auburn, A&M, and Bama have put 3-4 receivers on the field the last few years. Bama might change that but I doubt it...and Orgeron wants to run the spread. I want to build a defense based on stopping those offenses.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:25 pm to HottyToddy7
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Long run brah. It is a fact that high school kids that are highly recruited LBs, don't want to play in a 4-2-5 system. So we can keep the system with inferior athletes and get gashed for 5 yards a pop against any team with a pulse, or change the scheme to a 4-3, get competent LB play, and actually stop some teams along the way.
I agree with the long run. But this year. We are just going to have to find 2 LBs that kind of like to tackle or at least thinks its a good idea and get some more weight on Anderson.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:32 pm to DeltaDoc
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Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:34 pm to pankReb
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And how many teams do we regularly face that are power run teams? Arkansas and who? Bama has a great run game but they don't aren't really a "power run" team anymore.(pending their new OC hire
You are proving my point. The spread teams gashed us for 200+ yards. We cannot win unless we can stop the run. That is football 101. We have to agree to disagree but unless guys improve we are going to "waste" Shea's jr year because that defense isn't getting fixed by one bad recruiting class and a spring.
We might as well overhaul and play for Shea's Jr. Year and give him a good defense rather than putting bandaids on a broken leg and having 2 bad to average defenses and make him outscore everyone.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:36 pm to HottyToddy7
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So we can keep the system with inferior athletes and get gashed for 5 yards a pop against any team with a pulse, or change the scheme to a 4-3, get competent LB play,
We've had competent LB play out of our 4-2-5...when we had competent LB'ers. Don't forget we led the nation in scoring defense a few years back.
The issue is we lost a coach like Tom Allen and couldn't develop worth a shite after that.
The 4-2-5 hasn't caught on in the NFL as a base defense yet because NFL offenses are just now evolving into the spread. There are a lot of defenses that have had to install a 4-2-5 package just to face offenses that have dynamic tight ends.
Think about some of the most prolific offenses of the last few years and all of them have had dynamic TE's. Patriots, Saints(with Graham), Broncos(with J. Thomas), etc. Defenses are having to play the 4-2-5 against them.
The Steelers have basically already evolved from the 3-4 into the 4-2-5.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:41 pm to pankReb
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The Steelers have basically already evolved from the 3-4 into the 4-2-5.
So has Bama. We can recruit extra LBs and claim we are a 4-3 team. I am fine with that. Matter of fact, I would be a huge fan of a run stuffer MLB. But a run stuffer is not really what you are looking for in the 4-2-5 aka Nickel. You want sideline to sideline guys. That is what caused bama so many issues against CHF. The LBs (DePriest) were too big to cover. So when we go Nickel, bring on a extra DB and let the MLB have a hamburger.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:41 pm to HottyToddy7
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You are proving my point. The spread teams gashed us for 200+ yards. We cannot win unless we can stop the run. That is football 101.
Correct. But your point is ignoring the years of us having a damned good defense out of the 4-2-5. It would be valid if they've always been bad.
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but unless guys improve we are going to "waste" Shea's jr year because that defense isn't getting fixed by one bad recruiting class and a spring.
We might as well overhaul and play for Shea's Jr. Year and give him a good defense rather than putting bandaids on a broken leg and having 2 bad to average defenses and make him outscore everyone.
....it would be the exact same players on either defense. Overhauling the defensive scheme isn't going to change the talent level lining up at each position.
Both defensive schemes would have "one bad recruiting class and a spring" to fix itself. If we're just playing for Shea's Jr year....then it would actually make more sense to keep our defensive scheme and teach the new guys how to play it instead of implementing an entirely new scheme. Changing to a 4-3 isn't going to magically make our defense better next fall.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:27 pm to golfntiger32
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^ Well, there is that other 92 percent of your season to play for.
Yes but that 8 percent usually comes with a nice trip and a bag of free shite like PS4, Xbox.... would take a shitload of Red Lobster to make up for that.
You make good points.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:28 pm to DeltaDoc
Dont know what to think really... Just glad we hired some guys into those positions before Christmas.
Really glad we didnt promote Chris Kiffin to head coach... That shite would've been embarrassing.
Really glad we didnt promote Chris Kiffin to head coach... That shite would've been embarrassing.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:54 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I don't know how he will do as a DC but I will miss McGriff as our DB's coach.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:55 pm to pankReb
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Our defensive recruiting should be solid as well as our DB coaching...
I hate to be "that guy" but the days of "solid" recruiting at Ole Miss are over for now anyway. I say that being someone with no problem with Freeze or Ole Miss whatsoever. It is just reality at the moment whether you like it or not.
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