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So has JFF lost a step?

Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:07 pm
Posted by NATidefan
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Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:07 pm
I've read several people say this. I haven't got to watch him much this year, but I did notice his YPC is way down compared to last year. What's the rants opinion?
Posted by I Ham That I Ham
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:08 pm to
Maybe two
Posted by ags01
Member since Mar 2006
3885 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:10 pm to
He's been sitting in the pocket dropping aces. No need to run so far. You'll see his quickness soon enough.
Posted by wartiger2004
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Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:11 pm to
Patience grasshopper.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:11 pm to
Beer Bryant brought this up in another thread last week, to which I posted the following response:

This discussion has been had on Ag boards as well. A few people saw what you saw; most say he looked the same. Some possible explanations for your observation:

- This year (as opposed to last) he's going through his progressions--which goes against his natural instinct to take off in the open field

- He's basically been working in the pocket since January. No running allowed in spring, summer, or fall camp. Could've been just a little rusty

- Added approx. 15# of muscle (entirely intentional. Johnny at 210# is more resilient than Johnny at 195#), which could impact his elusiveness

Again, most people disagreed with the "Johnny was slower" observation; but some saw what you saw. Guess we'll know more as the season progresses.

I'm one who happens to believe that JFF's speed isn't his strength; it's his vision & instincts that make him such a freak.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
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Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:13 pm to
Lots of beer little conditioning will do that to most anybody
Posted by PacoPicopiedra
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:16 pm to
quote:

- This year (as opposed to last) he's going through his progressions--which goes against his natural instinct to take off in the open field


Good point. I noticed at one point in the Rice game he started to take a step or two to run, stopped (almost like he was thinking about it), and then threw downfield to his receiver.
Posted by Bob Ag
Austin
Member since Aug 2011
3008 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:17 pm to
What he lost in his legs, he made up for in hand strength. This offseason was grueling.
Posted by Palooza11
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
2561 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:17 pm to
Nope, saving it for your team. Why would he go 100%?
Posted by UAFanFromNOLA
NOLA
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:18 pm to
He's been drunk all season.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

I've read several people say this. I haven't got to watch him much this year, but I did notice his YPC is way down compared to last year. What's the rants opinion?


The defenses have been slow, he's been able to not dart around when he starts to feel pressure and work on his pocket passing. He doesn't look as fast out there, I will admit, but he also looks 15 pounds heavier.
Posted by Sig
dallas
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:22 pm to
YOLO
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:24 pm to
quote:

- Added approx. 15# of muscle (entirely intentional. Johnny at 210# is more resilient than Johnny at 195#), which could impact his elusiveness


Brett Favre's playing weight was 220. If Johnny can keep his weight at 210, and still be elusive, I'll much more confidence in his ability to make it in the NFL.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80273 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:24 pm to
quote:

but I did notice his YPC is way down compared to last year.


4.2 yards per carry so far (13 carries for 67 yards)

He had 17 carries for 60 yards vs. Florida (3.5 ypc) and 13 carries for 124 yards vs. SMU (9.5 ypc) in our first two games last year.

That rounds out to 30 carries for 184 yards. (6.1 ypc).

What you aren't talking about, however is this:

vs. Florida (2012) - 23 for 30, 173 yards, 0 TD
vs. SMU (2012) - 20 for 36, 294 yards, 4 TD

That's 43 for 66, 467 yards and 4 TD after 2 games.

After 2 games this year, Manziel is 35 for 50 with 1 INT, 520 yards, and 6 touchdowns.

After 2 games in 2012, Manziel had played 7 total quarters, accounted for 651 yards and 7 touchdowns.

After 2 games in 2013, Manziel has played 5 total quarters and accounted for 587 yards and 7 touchdowns.

If you want to extrapolate, had Manziel played 7 quarters in the first two games of 2013, he would account for the following:

822 total yards, 10 TD.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80273 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:26 pm to
Does anyone have the gif of Manziel trucking the defender yesterday? I know they ruled him out at the 1, but he ran that dude over.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:29 pm to
I think he gained 2.
Posted by ccard257
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Oct 2012
1311 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:30 pm to
He's a power back now.

Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:33 pm to
So much attention is paid to his running ability and questioning if he can truly play QB in the NFL, I think you'll see him proving his doubters wrong through the air more than last year.
Posted by Onyx Aggie
Foothills of the Smokies
Member since Sep 2012
2395 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:35 pm to
There were a couple of plays where I thought he looked a bit slower, but on his touchdown run and the one where he trucked that guy at the goal line, he looked just as quick as ever.

As others have mentioned, I think it has more to do with his push to become more of a pocket passer.
Posted by iliveinabox
in a box
Member since Aug 2011
24115 posts
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:36 pm to
hope he tries that in sec play
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