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re: Slowing down offenses - the not-so-Objective POV
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:35 am to HeavyCore
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:35 am to HeavyCore
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all the rule changes, lately, have favored the offenses. How about one for the defenses, for a change?
This is a good point actually.
Even by this logic, it would still have to be a good rule that made sense on it's own. For instance, you wouldn't make a rule that required offensive players to carry around a backpack with a 100 lb kettle weight in it. If the data suggested clearly that this was a safety thing, then I agree...and there you have it. It does not though so this isn't about safety. Everyone knows that anyway. I honestly think Charles doesn't know that though and I feel bad for picking on him now
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:35 am to MrAUTigers
quote:if chop blocks and tempo are gone you guys are seriously screwed
If you are worried about player safety.... Hits to the head should be outlawed (it has been) Hits to the knees should be outlawed Hits to the back should be outlawed Hits below the knee should be outlawed What does that leave us with?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:37 am to CharlesLSU
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That said, I have on MANY occasions witnessed injuries to dlinemen when the up tempo compromised them due to confusion and/or late game fatigue. While not "scientific" data, the dangers are very real. Some of you will dismiss this, but I have objectively witnessed this with my own eyes.
Endurance shouldn't be a competitive advantage? Any coach worth his salt wouldn't look at his men and say, "I don't think I can get you in good enough shape not to be fatigued in the fourth quarter". Just like teams in the past used a size and strength advantage, why can't you flip it on them? No part of that makes sense. Recruit and train slightly smaller players if that's what it takes to win.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:38 am to CharlesLSU
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read all of my posts.
Why?
Your stance is the defense should be allowed to substitute. How often do Offensive Lineman substitute?
Are you saying Offensive Lineman are in that much better shape than a Defensive Lineman?
LSU's Defensive Line the past couple years have won the line of scrimmage, slowed down HUNH Offense, and been allowed to substitute.
Like the Auburn posters have been saying. Auburn substitutes like crazy. They rotated at least 3 backs last year(Mason, Grant, Artis-Payne). As well as different receivers going in. And sets with their TE. And as the rule states.. When the offense substitutes the defense is allowed to substitute.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:40 am to Tigercoop40
So, if this is about safety, why are they ok with allowing it in the last 2 minutes of each half, when players are going to be most tired?
If you're down by 17 in the 4th quarter and want to start running plays faster, it's just tough shite now? You can only try to catch up with 2 minutes to go in the game now?
If you're down by 17 in the 4th quarter and want to start running plays faster, it's just tough shite now? You can only try to catch up with 2 minutes to go in the game now?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:46 am to Tigercoop40
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Like the Auburn posters have been saying. Auburn substitutes like crazy. They rotated at least 3 backs last year(Mason, Grant, Artis-Payne). As well as different receivers going in. And sets with their TE. And as the rule states.. When the offense substitutes the defense is allowed to substitute.
Auburn also substituted like crazy on the D-Line...against Wazzu, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, etc... Have your players ready, run them on when the man is tackled. It's that simple. But that isn't what this is about. This is about slowing down offenses so the read/react old school defenses can do what they do best. It's also about defenses that thrive on size and strength (but not a boat race). Honestly, if this shite goes thru, I think my head might explode. And not because I think Auburn is going to be hurt so much by it (early indications are that less than 15% of Auburn's plays would have fallen into this category and of those, only by a second or 2). If they change the rules to benefit and favor a certain style of offense...the Bama style of offense. Oh my God. 3 out of 4 years wasn't good enough...they have to change the rules to win every single year. Yay! That'd be so fun!
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:54 am to tkane311
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Honestly, if this shite goes thru, I think my head might explode.
Seems like whenever Saban cries the NCAA/SEC responds.
He cried one year about the SEC scheduling. It got fixed for Alabama.
You didn't hear Saban cry after shutting down Ole Miss HUNH Offense, but after Auburn beats them, that's what you hear.
Troy Calhoun is the forefront of the rule change. Pretty sure he is one of the coaches that voted Oklahoma State #11 in 2011 so Alabama could play LSU for the Championship. Saban has Calhoun on lockdown.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 11:55 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:54 am to Tigercoop40
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Your stance is the defense should be allowed to substitute. How often do Offensive Lineman substitute? Are you saying Offensive Lineman are in that much better shape than a Defensive Lineman?
again, go read my posts. I explain it.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:56 am to tkane311
That's basically what it boils down to. Saban can't figure it out and he gets beat by it so all of a sudden "it's not fair?"
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:58 am to kage
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So, if this is about safety, why are they ok with allowing it in the last 2 minutes of each half, when players are going to be most tired?
Its different when its been allowed for the previous 56 minutes.......
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:03 pm to CharlesLSU
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again, go read my posts. I explain it.
I really don't care to. It probably has no backing. There is no good explanation as to why the offensive line is fine and the defensive line isn't.
Rich Rod. put it in a good way. The Offense dictates the tempo because they know where the ball is going. The Defense is allowed to move all 11 guys before the snap.
The Auburn troll on this board brought up a great point. Let's ban blitzing it could injury a QB; you saw Mettenberger get hut because of a blitz. Let's ban it too. His point was stop being babies, this is football. Most defensive lineman aren't in great shape... What happened to Mount Cody(Alabama D) when he went to the NFL? He failed a physical. A guy at the pinnacle of a sport fails a physical.
If Alabama wants to run with Auburn maybe they should stop recruiting the big slower physical guys. Not complain about the rules till they are always in their favor.. This is now what the issue has become.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:09 pm to Tigercoop40
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I really don't care to. It probably has no backing. There is no good explanation as to why the offensive line is fine and the defensive line isn't.
Did you play football? Did you play football at an advanced level? If not, then you are ignorant and need to educate yourself. I've explained the phenomenon of why big fat kids are in so much better shape than leaner quick kids. It's because of the dynamics of line play.
I've had experiences to back up my explanation.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:15 pm to CharlesLSU
I played for Malzhan and was a defensive end against his system. I didn't need to come out on plays. I was fine.
I've played and coached the sport before. This isn't a pissing contest.
Is your self-esteem or personal accomplishments so low that you come here to spout your advancement in football and attempt to belittle people by trying to show their ignorance.
The majority of the teams that are complaining about the HUNH offense is Alabama. They do not have leaner quick kids on the defensive line. They have the big run stuffer kind of guys... And bigger LB's.
LSU has run with leaner quick kids on the edges and LSU has done fine with the HUNH Offense. Are you sure you're an LSU fan?
I've played and coached the sport before. This isn't a pissing contest.
Is your self-esteem or personal accomplishments so low that you come here to spout your advancement in football and attempt to belittle people by trying to show their ignorance.
The majority of the teams that are complaining about the HUNH offense is Alabama. They do not have leaner quick kids on the defensive line. They have the big run stuffer kind of guys... And bigger LB's.
LSU has run with leaner quick kids on the edges and LSU has done fine with the HUNH Offense. Are you sure you're an LSU fan?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:29 pm to Tigercoop40
This is ridiculous, player safety are they kidding? I thought when I heard Saban say this at Media Days it came off as a whiny little bitch move and to think that they are actually considering this is unbelievable. If you don't like it shut up and adjust to it, maybe call Chavis and quit crying.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:40 pm to CharlesLSU
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Its different when its been allowed for the previous 56 minutes.......
So it's only ok to go as fast as you want in for 4 minutes of the game? Why is that more fair that what we have now?
What if a team is down by 20 with less than 5 minutes left and they're trying to go fast, but this new rule means they can get to the line immediately, but will have to wait 10 seconds every time? How is that remotely fair to a team trying to catch up?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:44 pm to kage
Yeah that doesnt make sense.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 1:41 pm to CharlesLSU
Their coaches are putting them at risk by not calling a timeout.
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