Started By
Message
re: Slowing down offenses - the not-so-Objective POV
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:16 am to CharlesLSU
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:16 am to CharlesLSU
quote:
CharlesLSU
Why are you so mad?
LSU stopped Auburn's no huddle offense last year. We were their only regular season loss.
LSU last year also stopped the high power octane offense of Texas A&M and Manziel.
Look back to the 2011 LSU football team? How was LSU ever going to stop the high powered "gimmick" offenses that Oregon and West Virginia ran? We beat them.
The hurry up is just another style of football that people are pissy about and need to get over. I'm sure when the spread offense was introduced people were against it; I know it still pisses off some LSU fans to think about the Spurrier Florida teams.
Why does it have to be a traditional Power running game or it's known as a gimmick?
I can say this much. If LSU added a little misdirection to their running game. You'd see an even stronger monster with backs like Jeremy Hill.
2
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:18 am to MrAUTigers
quote:Looks like playing with cold, tight muscles due to waiting so long between plays causes injuries and everyone should run the HUNH to increase player safety.
"For all of FBS football in 2012, the ‘fast’ teams averaged over 17 plays per game more than the bottom 20 ‘slow’ teams. This is 26% more plays run per game than a ‘slow’ teams. Even though this adds up to over 340 more plays run in a season, the ‘slow’ teams still lost 8 more starts to injury than the ‘fast teams. Additionally, the average number of starts lost per play was 33% HIGHER for the ‘slow’ teams. Although this is all FBS programs and just the 2012 season, that is a huge argument in favor of ‘fast’ play."
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:20 am to chadau79
quote:
big guy hurts small guy
The video is an excellent example of an illegal wedge by the receiving team.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:21 am to Tigercoop40
quote:
Tigercoop40
Finally some common sense being added... I applaud you sir
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:22 am to Tornado Alley
quote:
all the rule changes, lately, have favored the offenses. How about one for the defenses, for a change?
This is a good point actually.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:22 am to MrAUTigers
quote:
"For all of FBS football in 2012, the ‘fast’ teams averaged over 17 plays per game more than the bottom 20 ‘slow’ teams. This is 26% more plays run per game than a ‘slow’ teams. Even though this adds up to over 340 more plays run in a season, the ‘slow’ teams still lost 8 more starts to injury than the ‘fast teams. Additionally, the average number of starts lost per play was 33% HIGHER for the ‘slow’ teams. Although this is all FBS programs and just the 2012 season, that is a huge argument in favor of ‘fast’ play." your argument is bullshite
Informative. Did the data set provide a closer, in-depth look at circumstances when dlinemen sustained injuries when facing a HUNH?
No. It used data in a blanket fashion when the mechanics involved are often apples to oranges.
This is a situation where detailed analysis is the valid course of action. By selectively drawing from past pools of more generalized data and not tightening up the criteria to focus on, say, position versus circumstance, the outcome may miss the forest for the trees.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:23 am to CharlesLSU
It was more data than any of you have provided backing your position. I am still waiting
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:24 am to CharlesLSU
quote:
So, when does a gimmick get the respect to not be called a gimmick? After it kicked your arse 2...3....4 times?
restricting defensive substitutions is a gimmick and always will be. LSU's defense counters this very well but i think college football is better w/o it. the problem with my opinion is that many fans, esp younger ones want more offense and less defense. possibly the impact of the video games or the lack of true understanding of the game. i know in baseball fans clamored for more offense because they were not really appreciative of the role defense (and pitching) played and i think it's because they never played the game at a higher enough level to understand it.
the thing about it is auburn (and other good teams) should be just as good w/o trying to catch the defense before they are ready for a play. fundamentally, football is about blocking, running, passing and tackling. teams with second tier talent need gimmicks.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:24 am to Tigercoop40
quote:
Why are you so mad?
I'm not. It's the angry HUNH hoard that is.
I have no dog in the fight from a team allegiance perspective. I have actually witnessed kids going down because of it. I truly believe the scheme to be dangerous to dlinemen.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:25 am to CharlesLSU
Dude, there are going to be injuries in football. It is a violent sport. If you are afraid of getting hurt, play tennis. Look at all of the injuries in the NFL. Those teams don't run the HUNH, except for Philly. Do you see the NFL trying to outlaw it? Again, it is about DC's not being able to figure out how to run in and out their personnel. They want 15-20 seconds so they can look at the O formation and change their D call.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:26 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:
trying to catch the defense before they are ready for a play
on that front, it's sad when it goes from a chess match to a hand slapping contest.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:27 am to CharlesLSU
quote:
No. It used data in a blanket fashion when the mechanics involved are often apples to oranges.
Solid gold after your OP.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:27 am to MrAUTigers
quote:
Dude, there are going to be injuries in football. It is a violent sport. If you are afraid of getting hurt, play tennis.
so, don't try to protect kids by allowing a 10second substitution window? Come on.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:29 am to CharlesLSU
quote:
so, don't try to protect kids by allowing a 10second substitution window? Come on.
Auburn substituted AT WILL against Ole Miss. The "not being able to substitute" argument is pure garbage.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:30 am to CharlesLSU
quote:
I have no dog in the fight from a team allegiance perspective. I have actually witnessed kids going down because of it. I truly believe the scheme to be dangerous to dlinemen.
For you saying you're objective and don't have a dog in the fight you seem pretty adamant against it.
It's easy. If Dlineman want to reduce the risk of injury created by the HUNH offense, win the line of scrimmage. Generally when those types of teams have negative plays, they slow down.
Players have been getting hurt since before the HUNH Offense.
Tell me, why are the DLineman getting hurt because of this fast paced offense, but the OLineman seem to be fine. Maybe you should look at the strength and conditioning coaches, not the scheme of an Offense.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:30 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:
It was more data than any of you have provided backing your position. I am still waiting
Fair enough. The data supporting my OPINION has been personal observation.
To be perfectly fair or PC, they should set out to study the true effects of the HUNH in a more precise fashion before rule changes. Granted, due to my OPINION, I think changing the rule now will only protect kids a year earlier.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:30 am to CharlesLSU
quote:I think the point is, someone needs to show that the kids are at more risk for injury without the 10 second window before we create a new rule. That hasn't happened yet.
so, don't try to protect kids by allowing a 10second substitution window? Come on.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:31 am to Tigercoop40
quote:
Tell me, why are the DLineman getting hurt because of this fast paced offense, but the OLineman seem to be fine. Maybe you should look at the strength and conditioning coaches, not the scheme of an Offense
read all of my posts.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:32 am to CharlesLSU
I honestly do not see the problem. Once the ball is set by the official, it should be snapped whenever the offense is ready. If the defense is not set or lined up correctly, tough shite. It's a competition, not some friendly game of tag. This participation trophy society is ruining this country. Either adapt, or get left behind. Quit catering to losers to make them feel good. Should Apple have to slow down their business model so other tech companies can catch up? Should America slow down for other countries to be more profitable. Hell no.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:33 am to WDE24
quote:
I think the point is, someone needs to show that the kids are at more risk for injury without the 10 second window before we create a new rule. That hasn't happened yet.
....I can't argue that. I have my opinion and believe in it, but a true study effort would be the fuel to change rules.
While I'd support the rule change, I understand others wanting proof.
see? I'm not totally unreasonable.
Page 3 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News