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re: Since 2009, Saban's Alabama Is 4-5 Versus SEC West Teams That Finish Ranked
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:22 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:22 pm to RollTide1987
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I agree. We should switch out LSU for someone who actually has a pulse.
You GUMPS don't think past your nose. If lsu sucks who has bama beaten?
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Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:22 pm to RollTide1987
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I agree. We should switch out LSU for someone who actually has a pulse.
You GUMPS don't think past your nose. If lsu sucks who has bama beaten?
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:36 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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What? He wasn't supposed to lose against auburn this past weekend. In 2010 bama had more talent than any team I can remember ( besides 01 Miami) and he lost 3 games.
I think the point he's trying to make is that since 2008, Alabama doesn't have any completely inexplicable losses. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in that time frame, Bama is undefeated against opponents who finish the year unranked ('10 South Carolina finished 9-5, but I think they were still ranked...).
Not sure how impressive that is, but I'm also not sure if there's another team that can claim the same thing...
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:44 pm to A_Leather_Glove
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What? He wasn't supposed to lose against auburn this past weekend. In 2010 bama had more talent than any team I can remember ( besides 01 Miami) and he lost 3 games.
Don't be daft. We may have been favored but when two Top 5 teams face off against each other you never know what will happen. Fact of the matter is, all of Saban's losses since 2008 have been to Top 5 caliber teams - minus 2010 South Carolina. They aren't inexcusable losses like LSU vs. Ole Miss or Florida vs. Georgia Southern.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:59 pm to RollTide1987
Miles has the same record using the same criteria.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 7:00 pm to lsufan251875
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Miles has the same record using the same criteria.
Which criteria?
Posted on 12/2/13 at 7:00 pm to A_Leather_Glove
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Well, at least half your games in November are against either LSU or Auburn, both programs which are indisputably top 15 all time and arguably top 10 all time. Since 2009, those teams have fielded some pretty quality players, which include Patrick Peterson, Tyrann Mathieu, Cam Newton, Eric Reid, Nick Fairley, Nick Marshall, Odell Beckham Jr, Keke Mingo, and many other great players. You also faced a heisman winning QB with an all world O-line who didn't play for either of those 2 schools. Alabama is, IMO, the most successful program of all time, and this current run is one of the most impressive I've ever seen, but the fact is, you've got 2 programs that are Rich, storied programs located in recuiting hotbeds with top tier coaches who you play every November. This isn't the same college football landscape that the Bear coached in. There is too much money and too much competition to beat everyone every year. The losses don't happen in November for any other reason than your most difficult competition being in November. Also, while it is easy to look at your team as back to back champions who almost got a threepeat, Alabama was a few plays away from not getting either of those titles and needed help to get to the championship games both years. All that's happening is you guys are coming down to earth and realizing what most opposing fans already knew, Alabama is certainly the best program in the nation, but your rivals are right fricking behind you, and can still beat you on a given Saturday night.
Good post
I agree with a bunch there, and once you throw in Bama getting almost everyone's best shot. It's a tough road for any program facing this challenge. The old days of staying on top every single season are gone. To much parity & talent across the board in CFB these days to do all that. Plus, these coaches & players today are learning things at 10-12 yrs old. That many coaches of old didn't learn or do until their 20's.
Bama's accomplishments are great
2008 --- 12-2
2009 --- 14-0
2010 --- 10-3
2011 --- 12-1
2012 --- 13-1
2012 --- 11-1 so far
Total --- 72-8 and a chance at 73-8
These above SEC seasons will only get better with time. When not many SEC programs win 10+ games for 6th straight seasons in the future. All this was done in a conference that's won 7 straight BCS Titles too. Not matter how you feel about Bama this was special to do.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 7:11 pm to lsufan251875
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Miles has the same record using the same criteria.
If you're referring to the criteria I posted, then this is false.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 7:30 pm to lsufan251875
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Miles has the same record using the same criteria.
Miles has 3 national titles since 2008???
In the end there's one criteria that matters.
Who took home the big trophy, since 1992 when they started matching 1 vs 2 up, we have more than anyone.
Everything else is just noise.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 7:35 pm to Gardevoir
Simply put, Saban is not an elite gameday coach. He is an elite recruiter and program manager. With him at the helm you will always be one of the most talented teams in the nation and never have disastrous years. Saban and his players seem to struggle in November because neither him nor his players have much experience facing 4th quarter adversity by the time November rolls around. Bama's opponents are used to it, but Bama is not.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 7:55 pm to Gardevoir
Please post other west division team results over the same period for comparison.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 8:36 pm to TroyTider
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Please post other west division team results over the same period for comparison.
That a good idea
If I've got time I'll do the numbers
Bookmarked
Saban and staff have made some good game time adjustments during games. Especially when you consider many coaches have saved the good stuff for Bama. Plus, I'm not going to call Saban a bad coach because kicking woes & kicking decisions have cost Bama a few close games. Lastly, have you watched Bama the last two seasons? Bama has had some great late game moments for huge wins. The atmosphere at Texas A&M game was crazy when down 14 points. The LSU & Georgia games last season where worthy of a clutch comebacks. Not sure where the whole Bama is never clutch at the end of games or not able to handle the big stage comes from. This seasons team could be called that, but this team overall is young at many positions. So it's understandable and sometimes you come up just short. No program just keeps winning all the time, especially in the SEC.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 8:39 pm to Gardevoir
He hasn't lost any of those games by more than six points and all of those games were winnable.
2010- 3 point loss to LSU, LSU controlled the game for the most part but they needed a 3rd and 15 conversion to put the game away, who knows what would have happened if Bama had gotten the stop?
2010- 1 point loss to Auburn, very winnable game, Bama probably would have won if Ingram hadn't fumbled the ball in the red zone
2011- 3 point OT loss to LSU, had many opportunities to win the game
2012- 5 point loss to Texas A&M, had the ball inside the Aggies 5 yard line with the opportunity to score the go-ahead TD late in the game
2013- 6 point loss to Auburn, it would take me several hours to describe all the missed opportunities by Bama in this game, needless to say this was a very winnable game that got away from them
2010- 3 point loss to LSU, LSU controlled the game for the most part but they needed a 3rd and 15 conversion to put the game away, who knows what would have happened if Bama had gotten the stop?
2010- 1 point loss to Auburn, very winnable game, Bama probably would have won if Ingram hadn't fumbled the ball in the red zone
2011- 3 point OT loss to LSU, had many opportunities to win the game
2012- 5 point loss to Texas A&M, had the ball inside the Aggies 5 yard line with the opportunity to score the go-ahead TD late in the game
2013- 6 point loss to Auburn, it would take me several hours to describe all the missed opportunities by Bama in this game, needless to say this was a very winnable game that got away from them
Posted on 12/2/13 at 8:42 pm to Bench McElroy
Wow, great post
18+ points from total perfection
That's crazy in this conference over 6 years
Anyone trying to discredit Saban, Staff, and players
Look foolish or seriously ate up
18+ points from total perfection
That's crazy in this conference over 6 years
Anyone trying to discredit Saban, Staff, and players
Look foolish or seriously ate up
Posted on 12/2/13 at 8:55 pm to Tennessee Jed
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He maybe the GOAT recruiter, but he's an average game day coach.
True.
Excellent recruiter, defensive tactician, motivator, and attention to detail, but his in-game coaching has always left a little to be desired.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 9:09 pm to MrAUTigers
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That statement is just flat out false. I believe bama may have been favored in the 2010 IB. I am positive bama was favored over LSU, regular season, at Bryant-Denny. Bama was favored over A&M last season. What the OP is getting at, saban loses when he plays quality teams, in Nov., more times than he wins them.
Yes, it's almost as if Alabama plays their best football early to midseason and in their bowl games.
What's up with the last month of the regular season?
Some teams progress every week and play their best football towards the end of the season. Other teams' performances are like a bell shaped curve. Some teams start off strong and gradually decline. Other teams are just inconsistent.
What would the results of the highly ranked Saban and Iron Bowl matchups be if they were played in in games 4-6 rather than 9-12?
Posted on 12/2/13 at 9:13 pm to Feral
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True.
Excellent recruiter, defensive tactician, motivator, and attention to detail, but his in-game coaching has always left a little to be desired.
Totally agree. If you can recruit talent and control that talent, you can consistently win a lot of games. There are several coaches who can recruit at an elite level, and several who can control a program at an elite level. Very few can do both. No one has ever been able to recruit, control a program, and be an elite game day coach at the same time. That would be superhuman. I would rather have someone great at the first two than a great strategist who can recruit but can't control a program or one who can control a program and use strategy but can't recruit.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 9:13 pm to Monticello
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Simply put, Saban is not an elite gameday coach. He is an elite recruiter and program manager. With him at the helm you will always be one of the most talented teams in the nation and never have disastrous years. Saban and his players seem to struggle in November because neither him nor his players have much experience facing 4th quarter adversity by the time November rolls around. Bama's opponents are used to it, but Bama is not.
WOW! There are a few good responses here, but I'm bookmarking this. You've hit several of the big points in a small paragraph.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 9:18 pm to skrayper
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Here's another way to look at it:
In December and January, since 2009 Alabama is undefeated.
That's wins over 13-1 Florida, 13-1 Texas, 11-2 Mich State, 13-1 LSU, 13-1 Notre Dame, and 12-2 UGA (of which most of the losses all came at the hands of Alabama - only two came to teams not named Alabama).
That's 4 teams that ONLY lost to Alabama.
Like I said - any set of numbers can be manipulated to say what you damn well please.
Great point. Absolutely great point. Yet none of it addresses that all great coaches, even Saban, need luck. Gumps just won 3 out of 4 and they whole heartedly believed they were staring at the greatest machine ever built at the college level. If they simply realized they were lucky as shite to be in position to win the last 2, they wouldn't be so devastated. They don't want to contribute any component of their success to lady luck, and that sets false standard.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 9:22 pm to Feral
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Excellent recruiter, defensive tactician, motivator, and attention to detail, but his in-game coaching has always left a little to be desired.
Youth isn't the entire problem with this team.
Let's see how he addresses cornerback, pass rush, and rushing defense weaknesses these next 2 recruiting cycles. I've heard Alabama fans say time and time again that Alabama hasn't had a nose guard as good as Mt. Cody or a defensive end as good as Marcel Dareus. Saban has had some of the best pass defenses of the past several years, but there is still room for improvement.
I remember fans speculation that this year's team could be Saban's most complete team. Well, hopefully the best hasn't arrived yet. The 2012 and 2013 defenses had some weaknesses, and we'll just have to trust Saban to fix them.
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