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re: Since 2009, Saban's Alabama Is 4-5 Versus SEC West Teams That Finish Ranked
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:24 pm to JoeKines335
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:24 pm to JoeKines335
You left 2013 auburn off the list.
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Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:24 pm to skrayper
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That's wins over 13-1 Florida, 13-1 Texas, 11-2 Mich State, 13-1 LSU, 13-1 Notre Dame, and 12-2 UGA
Of those 8 losses those teams have, Bama inflicted 6 of them.
At the time played, the combined records were:
72-2
After Playing Bama, the combined records were:
74-8
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:25 pm to maine82
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Please don't tell me you're complaining about Nick Saban. Alabama has won 3 national titles in the last 4 seasons. Holy crap!
I simply asked for people's perspectives.
I realize that those losses came against good teams.
No one has offered an explanation as to why these losses have occurred in November.
Is it because Alabama's two toughest opponents as of late have regularly been scheduled in November?
I know who Alabama has beaten for their 13th and 14th games the previous 4 seasons. Again, what does that have to do with November? The record is starting to show a trend and doesn't look coincidental. Alabama has faced good, sometimes great teams in the other months to greater avail.
What is it about November that has lead to this record? Why has Alabama defeated teams that finished ranked in the Top 10 in every month but November?
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:28 pm to Gardevoir
The 5 teams he lost to had a combined 6 losses total ... Back yo the drawing board with you.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:33 pm to SquirrelyBama
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It's the toughest division in CFB the last 5-7 years
5 BCS Champs come from the West the last 7 years
Not to surprised really, especially with the grind
Thanks for answering the question.
4 of those losses came in the Saban and Iron Bowls during years where the SEC West was deep and competitive.
Selective stats? Overall, Alabama hasn't been stellar in November during the BCS era. Saban's Alabama saves their best football for other months and games.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:36 pm to reggierayreb
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The 5 teams he lost to had a combined 6 losses total ... Back yo the drawing board with you.
This topic has been neglected.
I know it seems negative, unappreciative, and like nitpicking, but this is the SEC Rant, and new controversial topics like this should be welcome.
I asked for opinions. If I wanted to bash the program, there are other things I could say.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:37 pm to reggierayreb
Here is the deal, unlike any other coach in the country (excluding Corch Irvin Meyers at tOSU), Saban does not lose games that he absolutely should not have lost (like Miles losing to Ole Miss, Muschamp losing to Georgia Southern, Pete Carroll losing to 40 point dog Stanford, etc.).
Since losing to Louisiana Monroe, it seems that Saban almost always beats the teams he is supposed to beat without a doubt.
Hell, the Texas A&M team that beat Bama last year was arguably the best team in the nation at year's end.
The games that Saban has lost in recent years are to teams that had a reasonable capability of beating Bama.
Ole Miss should have not had any chance against LSU this year due to injuries and inferior talent. Instead, they found themselves down 17-0 and never recovered.
Saban is the best recruiter the nation has ever seen, and is likely the best program manager the country has ever seen and is in the Top 10 of game day coaches the country has ever seen.
Since losing to Louisiana Monroe, it seems that Saban almost always beats the teams he is supposed to beat without a doubt.
Hell, the Texas A&M team that beat Bama last year was arguably the best team in the nation at year's end.
The games that Saban has lost in recent years are to teams that had a reasonable capability of beating Bama.
Ole Miss should have not had any chance against LSU this year due to injuries and inferior talent. Instead, they found themselves down 17-0 and never recovered.
Saban is the best recruiter the nation has ever seen, and is likely the best program manager the country has ever seen and is in the Top 10 of game day coaches the country has ever seen.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:42 pm to DeltaDoc
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Here is the deal, unlike any other coach in the country (excluding Corch Irvin Meyers at tOSU), Saban does not lose games that he absolutely should not have lost (like Miles losing to Ole Miss, Muschamp losing to Georgia Southern, Pete Carroll losing to 40 point dog Stanford, etc.).
Since losing to Louisiana Monroe, it seems that Saban almost always beats the teams he is supposed to beat without a doubt.
Hell, the Texas A&M team that beat Bama last year was arguably the best team in the nation at year's end.
The games that Saban has lost in recent years are to teams that had a reasonable capability of beating Bama.
Ole Miss should have not had any chance against LSU this year due to injuries and inferior talent. Instead, they found themselves down 17-0 and never recovered.
Saban is the best recruiter the nation has ever seen, and is likely the best program manager the country has ever seen and is in the Top 10 of game day coaches the country has ever seen.
I will read further arguments, but I'm taking a break from arguing in this thread.
I've put myself in a very bad mood.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:47 pm to reggierayreb
Like all past great teams or programs
Bama has the misfortune of having their wins count against their final opponents loses & worthiness. But when great teams lose their opponents final worthiness is bumped up. This sorta skews the rankings stat. That's why rankings at time of game and final rankings both matter. Unless a team that was ranked at game time totally craps the bed.
Take away Bama's 73 wins from their opponents loss column since 2009, and see how those teams look or where they might of been ranked at seasons end. Bama's 73-8 record since 2008 speaks for itself plenty. If someones has got better, post it.....
Bama has the misfortune of having their wins count against their final opponents loses & worthiness. But when great teams lose their opponents final worthiness is bumped up. This sorta skews the rankings stat. That's why rankings at time of game and final rankings both matter. Unless a team that was ranked at game time totally craps the bed.
Take away Bama's 73 wins from their opponents loss column since 2009, and see how those teams look or where they might of been ranked at seasons end. Bama's 73-8 record since 2008 speaks for itself plenty. If someones has got better, post it.....
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:48 pm to Gardevoir
I have always said saban is just an average game day coach. Also said if Tubs could keep the talent levels similar he would beat saban regularly.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:51 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I have always said saban is just an average game day coach.
Average game day coaches lose games they aren't supposed to. Since ULM in '07, Saban has beaten everyone he was supposed to beat.
Since 2008, Saban's 8 losses have been to a 13-1 Florida team, a 13-0 Utah team, a 9-5 (SEC East champion) South Carolina team, an 11-2 LSU team, a 14-0 Auburn team, a 13-1 LSU team, an 11-2 Texas A&M team, and an 11-1 Auburn team. It's not like his 8 losses have come to shitty teams. With the exception of 2010 South Carolina, all of these losses were to Top 5 caliber teams.
If Saban is an average game day coach based on that, then Bear Bryant was mediocre.
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:54 pm to Gardevoir
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Since 2009, Saban's Alabama Is 4-5 Versus SEC West Teams That Finish Ranked
Also Saban fielded way more talented team than the opposition.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:57 pm to Gardevoir
Maybe if Bama played a little bit tougher of a schedule, they might be ready for the big games down the stretch.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:59 pm to MetryTyger
Its the schedule guys. It really is. and this politics. Never should have had the rematch. Was BS. You Lost at home.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 5:00 pm to Katy Tiger
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Maybe if Bama played a little bit tougher of a schedule, they might be ready for the big games down the stretch.
I agree. We should switch out LSU for someone who actually has a pulse.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 5:04 pm to RollTide1987
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I agree. We should switch out LSU for someone who actually has a pulse.
LOL you bama fans are too easy.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 5:08 pm to UpToPar
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LOL you bama fans are too easy.
Not as easy as your mom.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 5:15 pm to RollTide1987
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Average game day coaches lose games they aren't supposed to. Since ULM in '07, Saban has beaten everyone he was supposed to beat.
That statement is just flat out false. I believe bama may have been favored in the 2010 IB. I am positive bama was favored over LSU, regular season, at Bryant-Denny. Bama was favored over A&M last season. What the OP is getting at, saban loses when he plays quality teams, in Nov., more times than he wins them.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 5:30 pm to Gardevoir
Well, at least half your games in November are against either LSU or Auburn, both programs which are indisputably top 15 all time and arguably top 10 all time.
Since 2009, those teams have fielded some pretty quality players, which include Patrick Peterson, Tyrann Mathieu, Cam Newton, Eric Reid, Nick Fairley, Nick Marshall, Odell Beckham Jr, Keke Mingo, and many other great players.
You also faced a heisman winning QB with an all world O-line who didn't play for either of those 2 schools.
Alabama is, IMO, the most successful program of all time, and this current run is one of the most impressive I've ever seen, but the fact is, you've got 2 programs that are Rich, storied programs located in recuiting hotbeds with top tier coaches who you play every November.
This isn't the same college football landscape that the Bear coached in. There is too much money and too much competition to beat everyone every year.
The losses don't happen in November for any other reason than your most difficult competition being in November.
Also, while it is easy to look at your team as back to back champions who almost got a threepeat, Alabama was a few plays away from not getting either of those titles and needed help to get to the championship games both years.
All that's happening is you guys are coming down to earth and realizing what most opposing fans already knew, Alabama is certainly the best program in the nation, but your rivals are right fricking behind you, and can still beat you on a given Saturday night.
Since 2009, those teams have fielded some pretty quality players, which include Patrick Peterson, Tyrann Mathieu, Cam Newton, Eric Reid, Nick Fairley, Nick Marshall, Odell Beckham Jr, Keke Mingo, and many other great players.
You also faced a heisman winning QB with an all world O-line who didn't play for either of those 2 schools.
Alabama is, IMO, the most successful program of all time, and this current run is one of the most impressive I've ever seen, but the fact is, you've got 2 programs that are Rich, storied programs located in recuiting hotbeds with top tier coaches who you play every November.
This isn't the same college football landscape that the Bear coached in. There is too much money and too much competition to beat everyone every year.
The losses don't happen in November for any other reason than your most difficult competition being in November.
Also, while it is easy to look at your team as back to back champions who almost got a threepeat, Alabama was a few plays away from not getting either of those titles and needed help to get to the championship games both years.
All that's happening is you guys are coming down to earth and realizing what most opposing fans already knew, Alabama is certainly the best program in the nation, but your rivals are right fricking behind you, and can still beat you on a given Saturday night.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 6:20 pm to DeltaDoc
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Here is the deal, unlike any other coach in the country (excluding Corch Irvin Meyers at tOSU), Saban does not lose games that he absolutely should not have lost (like Miles losing to Ole Miss, Muschamp losing to Georgia Southern, Pete Carroll losing to 40 point dog Stanford, etc.).
What? He wasn't supposed to lose against auburn this past weekend. In 2010 bama had more talent than any team I can remember ( besides 01 Miami) and he lost 3 games.
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