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re: SIAP: Culture from Manziel Era Reason Kyle Allen Left A&M
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:51 pm to AUCE05
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:51 pm to AUCE05
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If true, and I don't think any of you have a clue what is really going on, then A&M has bigger issues. The head coach needs to make all of these decisions on personal. You can't allow boosters to run wild in your program.
Boosters going wild is a problem at every school.
Very few HCs are able to keep them at bay for the entirety of their tenure. Even Les Miles had to deal with booster interference this past year.
Saban at Bama is one of the few major exceptions.
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Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:51 pm to MC5601
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This is exactly the entitled culture that Sumlin promotes. Kids go there to have ridiculous facilities and be able to run rampant with no fear of discipline because Sumlin is more of their friend than coach.
You just described Jake Spavital.
Here's a thought. Previous offensive coordinators under Sumlin and what they were called by their players.
Kliff Kingsbury - COACH Kingsbury
Clarence McKinney - COACH McKinney
Jake Spavital - "Spav". Not Coach Spavital, not Coach Spav, not even Spavital...just "Spav"
Something tells me that the offensive players will not call Coach Noel Mazzone by a nickname.
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:52 pm to MC5601
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This is exactly the entitled culture that Sumlin promotes. Kids go there to have ridiculous facilities
Entitlement is not unique to TAMU, and kids go to programs all over the land to have ridiculous facilities.
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and be able to run rampant with no fear of discipline because Sumlin is more of their friend than coach.
Let's just ignore all the players Sumlin has dismissed from the team for disciplinary reasons to fit your narrative
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A&M is historically a highly disciplined old school program
Nah, we're a former all-military academy trying to go from perpetually mediocre in football to something better and have been willing in the past to risk probation to do it, just like countless other programs.
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Sumlin knows how to be cool in the eyes of 18 year olds but he is not effective at managing and motivating them.
He's shown he can motivate before, but I'll grant you the management part of your statement, especially when it comes to the QBs.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:54 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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We beat the shite out of LSU in the 90s And we were on probation ourselves in the mid 90s, just like our SWC counterparts. Sorry to destroy your narrative.
You did not I just said LSU was way down. Dropping games to Vanderbilt, Southern Miss and the likes at the time. The Wrecking crew won nothing of note sorry.
A&M has had 2 decent teams in decades 2010 and 2012. How did those fared against LSU?
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:54 pm to Dr RC
bullshite. No one else is "forced" to take players. That's why I think most of you are full of shite. No one posting on a message board actually knows what happens inside the program. You are just repeating what some fat, over weight loser is posting.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:54 pm to MC5601
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This is exactly the entitled culture that Sumlin promotes.
You are stuck in the 80s with that attitude.
These days if a highly touted QB thinks he isn't going to start early he leaves for a school that he thinks he will give the best chance at starting. It happens to EVERYONE now. Its really no different than what has happened with the insane amount of transfers in men's college basketball.
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:55 pm to r2d2
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A&M has had 2 decent teams in decades 2010 and 2012.
1999, 2001, 2006, 2010, and 2013 all had the same number of losses.
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:56 pm to AUCE05
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bullshite. No one else is "forced" to take players. That's why I think most of you are full of shite. No one posting on a message board actually knows what happens inside the program. You are just repeating what some fat, over weight loser is posting.
that isnt bullshite and I'm not repeating things I've only heard on message boards.
also, thats kind of funny considering Robert Gates used to occasionally post on TexAgs back when he was the president of A&M.
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:59 pm to r2d2
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LSU was way down.
Y'all's football history and ours up to the turn of the century was actually pretty damn similar. The biggest difference is y'all hired Miles. Football didn't begin in 2000.
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The Wrecking crew won nothing of note sorry.
Beating the shite out of LSU. Conference championship.
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A&M has had 2 decent teams in decades 2010 and 2012. How did those fared against LSU?
Started well against LSU in '10 but were too thin once injuries hit to sustain it. Held our own in 2012 by any fair assessment.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:00 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Sumlin has never guaranteed anyone a starting spot. He has always said that "you can earn a chance to play, or even start".
I have a very hard time believing that the OC told Allen he was going to be starting without talking to Sumlin.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:01 pm to rockiee
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I have a very hard time believing that the OC told Allen he was going to be starting without talking to Sumlin.
Considering that Spavital had to be ORDERED to pull Allen after the second pick 6 of the Alabama game...
It's a fair point though that you NEVER put someone who hasn't even reached the age of 30 yet as the offensive coordinator of a major college program.
Not keeping a tight leash on an offensive coordinator who has never called plays before is even more suspect.
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:07 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Considering that Spavital had to be ORDERED to pull Allen after the second pick 6 of the Alabama game...
It's a fair point though that you NEVER put someone who hasn't even reached the age of 30 yet as the offensive coordinator of a major college program.
Once again, I think that falls back on Sumlin. That was my only real point.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:07 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Every player has a bad game. Maybe Spavital legitimately thought that Aggie had a better shot with Allen at the helm than with Murray. Allen showed flashes of greatness while Murray consistently made poor decisions and was reckless with the football. Even with Mazzone, I truly believe Allen would have been a top quarterback in the conference in '16 and '17 and Murray would have been riding the pine. Allen will light it up at Houston and has a future in the NFL. Murray will probably be decent at OU but will likely be a late round pick at a different position due to his 5'10" stature and weak arm.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:09 pm to MC5601
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Maybe Spavital legitimately thought that Aggie had a better shot with Allen at the helm than with Murray.
He could have put Hubenak in.
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Allen will light it up at Houston and has a future in the NFL
Kyle Allen is more likely to turn out like Garrett Gilbert at SMU than Case Keenum at Houston.
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:13 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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He could have put Hubenak in.
I think it's pretty apparent that Hubenak is not on the same level as either Allen or Murray. Not saying he is bad but he does not have the natural ability that these two possess.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:16 pm to AUCE05
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No one posting on a message board actually knows what happens inside the program. You are just repeating what some fat, over weight loser is posting.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:22 pm to cardboardboxer
The bad culture is perpetuating itself with recruits too. Tate Martell is already complaining about Sumlin offering another QB from Hawaii a scholarship. Tate was complaining that Sumlin showed "no loyalty" to him and it's laughable. Now Martell is complaining that "Aggies are hating on him" on twitter. These are the kinds of kids attracted to A&M under the Sumlin regime.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:25 pm to undecided
A&M, jesus
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:26 pm to MC5601
Martell is a 5* recruit that has offers from a ton of major programs across the country when he decommits and goes to Bama or USC will he still be entitled? I just think it's been awhile since LSU has landed a major QB recruit so you forgot what it's like. No doubt Sumlin mishandled the situation but you can't just treat a kid like Allen Murray or Martell like another kid on the team in this day and age if you want to land them
when he decommits and goes to Bama or USC will he still be entitled? I just think it's been awhile since LSU has landed a major QB recruit so you forgot what it's like. No doubt Sumlin mishandled the situation but you can't just treat a kid like Allen Murray or Martell like another kid on the team in this day and age if you want to land them This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 2/9/16 at 2:27 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
So classic watching you melt hard in this thread
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