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re: Serious discussion about SEC Coaches strengths, weaknesses, and futures. First 5 coaches
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:21 pm to dawgfan24348
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:21 pm to dawgfan24348
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This is a really bad take considering since 2020 Kirby has only lost four games with a record of 50-4, three of which were to Saban and the other one was during the 2020 season where the team was a bit of mess
I'm not down on Kirby - I just think there are quite a few college coaches that are exponentially better than Kirby at the core skill-set of college football coaching. Kirby is great at UGA. I don't think he would be great at North Carolina or Arkansas or Ole Miss or any other school. Sometimes geography works miracles. UGA was the miracle job for Kirby. Success has many facets. Kirby found the perfect facet for him to succeed.
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Posted on 1/31/24 at 1:53 pm to TrendingRight
You haven’t literally nothing to base this off of
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:27 pm to dawgfan24348
In fairness, can anybody really count 2020 as a season?
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:36 pm to TrendingRight
You’re stupid. Kirby does not regularly lose games. He wins. He now owns the longest winning streak in the country.
He can and does get the best out of his teams - 3 perfect regular seasons and 2 natties should be proof enough of that- even for you. Kirby would be a success at any school. He IS in the perfect place for him - at least you got that right. But you and yours would crawl across broken glass if you thought there was even a 1% chance he had completely lost his mind and would actually consider coming to your school. You’d kick DeBore all the way back to Washington if you thought you could get Kirby. You know that. We all know it
He can and does get the best out of his teams - 3 perfect regular seasons and 2 natties should be proof enough of that- even for you. Kirby would be a success at any school. He IS in the perfect place for him - at least you got that right. But you and yours would crawl across broken glass if you thought there was even a 1% chance he had completely lost his mind and would actually consider coming to your school. You’d kick DeBore all the way back to Washington if you thought you could get Kirby. You know that. We all know it
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:48 pm to dawgfan24348
quote:You're right - Just my perception of Kirby throughout his career. I think the mental side of the game is where Kirby falls a little short. Great coaches coach every aspect of their teams - with extra special attention given to the mental side. Saban was a genius at this aspect of coaching. Managing players expectations, finding the right emotional connection to each player, and combining that knowledge to motivate the team in a way that keeps them tuned in and ready to produce peak performances on gameday. Kirby learned from the best - and he's certainly proved he's a great coach. I don't think he gets the most out of his teams on the mental side. JMO.
You haven’t literally nothing to base this off of
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:59 pm to Demosthenian
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Either the most banal statement about coaching 18-21 y/o’s ever made, or, you’re disingenuously comparing him to what you/your fellow fans call the GOAT. You can’t have it both ways just for a chance to dog Kirby
Kirby is in his 7th year as a head coach at any level. Saban was in his second season at LSU. Kirby has won 2 national titles in his first 7 years. It took Saban 9 years to win one and 6 more to win another one...or 4 if you discount the knowledge and experience at the NFL. I suspect were one to look at the records Saban probably made as many if not more bone headed decisions and failed to get the most out of his teams in his first 7 years.
Were Smart to be a HC for as long as Saban was (he wont, no one will going forward) it is not unreasonable to suggest he will have won more nattys than Saban.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:01 pm to SaturdayNAthens
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He now owns the longest winning streak in the country
Not a shot at Kirby Smart, He’s currently the best and with good reason. But what streak exactly?
Georgia lost the SECCG.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:04 pm to TrendingRight
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It's my opinion Kirby is a good coach who fell into a dream situation and made the most of it. Kirby has the drive and grit in his gut to reach the summit. But he's not a coaching messiah. He makes dumb mistakes at crucial times and sometimes just schemes wrong - or doesn't get his team mentally prepared. I respect Kirby and think he'll win several more NCs - but I don't think he's a coaching genius. I think he worked for a coaching genius and took all he could from the experience - and built a monster from his blue collar approach to coaching to build the perfect storm of UGAs locale and all the talent in close proximity.
Smart has won 2 nattys in his first 7 years as a head coach in an era where winning a natty means beating 3 pretty good teams at the end of the season. By year 7 of Smarts career as a HC he had not won a single natty.
Smart has also lead a team to a 15-0 record. Saban has not done this yet.
I am certain if you dissected Saban's first 7 years as a head coach you could find a lot of mistakes that were made.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:04 pm to TrendingRight
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Pessimistic Billy survives 2024
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:06 pm to SaturdayNAthens
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You’re stupid. Kirby does not regularly lose games. He wins. He now owns the longest winning streak in the country.
He can and does get the best out of his teams - 3 perfect regular seasons and 2 natties should be proof enough of that- even for you. Kirby would be a success at any school. He IS in the perfect place for him - at least you got that right. But you and yours would crawl across broken glass if you thought there was even a 1% chance he had completely lost his mind and would actually consider coming to your school. You’d kick DeBore all the way back to Washington if you thought you could get Kirby. You know that. We all know it
Why must every post be an insult? I disagree with you - that's all. And, in your mind that makes me stupid? I won't call you stupid because we disagree. It would be preposterous for Kirby to coach at Alabama for many reasons. The mere lack of continuity and incongruity of Kirby moving to Alabama would be so strange it would shock and turn off recruits - and Kirby wouldn't give his best because that's not where his heart is. Kirby isn't a mercenary genius like Saban. He's where he wants to be - and should be - the best situation he will ever have as a coach. Everything was perfect for Kirby when he took the UGA job - and he ran with it - recruited fabulous talent and went on the best winning spree in UGA history - and is ranked 2024 preseason #1. He's done a GREAT job - but I wouldn't want him back at Alabama. He's not the right guy for Alabama - and never will be. Alabama will do what Alabama does - and Kirby will continue to field one of the most talented teams in college football year-in and year-out. But - Kirby is more Dabo Sweeney than Nick Saban - and that is certainly NOT a compliment.
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:07 pm to TrendingRight
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You're right - Just my perception of Kirby throughout his career. I think the mental side of the game is where Kirby falls a little short. Great coaches coach every aspect of their teams - with extra special attention given to the mental side. Saban was a genius at this aspect of coaching. Managing players expectations, finding the right emotional connection to each player, and combining that knowledge to motivate the team in a way that keeps them tuned in and ready to produce peak performances on gameday. Kirby learned from the best - and he's certainly proved he's a great coach. I don't think he gets the most out of his teams on the mental side. JMO.
Did Saban do a better job in his first 7 years getting his players mentally prepared to win? If so one has to wonder why his record as so damned lousy relative to Smart's in their first 7 years. Saban was not a great coach in his first 7 years. Smart is. He is still pretty young also....
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:18 pm to AwgustaDawg
quote:Do you honestly believe Kirby is as smart as Saban?
Did Saban do a better job in his first 7 years getting his players mentally prepared to win? If so one has to wonder why his record as so damned lousy relative to Smart's in their first 7 years. Saban was not a great coach in his first 7 years. Smart is. He is still pretty young also....
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:20 pm to Smokeyone
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He’s never seen year 3 as a head coach. There are tons of questions about his non existent track record.
He was a head coach at the same NAIA school for five years. Went 67-3, won three national championships and was runner-up in another. That university has since moved up to D2.
You can dismiss it as a lower division, but if you’re coaching in a weaker division it follows that your recruiting pool and roster is the same talent level as other teams in that division. It was a level playing field and he beat the shite out of everybody. Coaching is coaching.
Nearly every coach started at the bottom…HS, JUCO, D2. When you’re successful and bigger schools in bigger divisions notice you and offer to double your salary, you MOVE UP. That he took a bigger, better job is some diss of DeBoer is monumentally stupid.
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:23 pm to TrendingRight
Kalen: grade incomplete
Sam: somehow he makes Arky fans miss Morris. F-
Hugh: B-. Recruits skill positions & will win some big games. Lacks bandwidth & IQ to build a consistent winner.
Napier: D. Only thing keeping him from an F is recruiting.
Kirby: A+. 42-2 the last 3 seasons & poised to keep rolling with Nick out of his way. Dominance.
Sam: somehow he makes Arky fans miss Morris. F-
Hugh: B-. Recruits skill positions & will win some big games. Lacks bandwidth & IQ to build a consistent winner.
Napier: D. Only thing keeping him from an F is recruiting.
Kirby: A+. 42-2 the last 3 seasons & poised to keep rolling with Nick out of his way. Dominance.
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:25 pm to TrendingRight
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exponentially better than Kirby
Okay, you're officially an idiot.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:41 pm to Smokeyone
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We don’t have sufficient data to say anything about Deboer beyond he’s a decent intramural coach.
The man just beat Texas in a national semifinal at the highest level of college football after going undefeated in the regular season. He was one of two men left standing at the culmination of the season, while Heupel, Kirby and Saban were sent home.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:25 am to TrendingRight
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Kirby is not a Saban clone and regularly loses games he's supposed to win.
I agree that he's not a Saban clone but "regularly loses games he supposed to win"?
He's favored in every game now, so I guess he's not supposed to lose.....ever.
Bama lost four games in the past three years they were supposed to win.
Kirby has lost two such games in that same time period.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 3:26 am
Posted on 2/1/24 at 7:29 am to SidewalkTiger
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It's an interesting look into the human mind, for instance I doubt most Alabama fans would trade Kalen DeBoer for another coach right now. Conversely, none of them would have even considered him as a candidate prior to the 2023 season. A bounce here or there, maybe he loses the Arizona State game, he isn't even considered
Agreed. And if Saban waits one more year to retire, DeBoer is not even a candidate after the inevitable 7-5 season he was going to have at UW this year in a total rebuild.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 7:31 am to TrendingRight
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Great post. But I have to disagree with you. When opportunity meets preparation magic happens. Historically great coaches have been able to maintain and keep it going. That is not luck or dependent on a good or bad bounce - its a great leader getting it right most of the time. Great coaches don't slip thru the cracks.
I do agree with what you are saying, but when it comes to DeBoer (that's who you are discussing) what sustained success has he had? There are numerous examples of coaches who have had 1 or two years of success based off getting a couple of exceptional players. Gus Malzahn is one of those.
DeBoer may be exactly what Tide fans believe he is. I am not arguing that. Only time will tell us. But to argue he has had sustained success seems odd at best.
Perhaps I am reading to much into your post?
Posted on 2/1/24 at 7:42 am to TrendingRight
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It's my opinion Kirby is a good coach who fell into a dream situation and made the most of it. Kirby has the drive and grit in his gut to reach the summit. But he's not a coaching messiah.
Alabama fans seem to want it both ways.
They claim Alabama will keep rolling along, because Alabama is the GOAT football school and will continue it's success because it is an ideal situation.
So, using your logic did Saban fall into an ideal situation and is not really a "coaching messiah"?
quote:Anything like Saban arguing for a second to be placed back on the clock, only to send a weak FG kicker out to try a 57 yard FG that was returned back for a crushing TD? he did not even put a safety valve out on the field to cover for a possible return. Or do you think Alabama was sufficiently prepared the year Clemson put a beatdown on them in a National Championship game? Alabama has had the #1 roster talent for many years and has still managed to lose games every year at some point. Perhaps that should have been mentioned?
He makes dumb mistakes at crucial times and sometimes just schemes wrong - or doesn't get his team mentally prepared.
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I think he worked for a coaching genius
The guy that underperformed(apparently) on many occasions is a coaching genius? Or maybe Alabama is not huge can't miss football situation y'all keep saying you are?
Don't misunderstand me. I do think Saban is/was the GOAT, but the logic Alabama fans use is almost overwhelming. Things used as negative for some coaches are used as positives for Alabama coaches. It just seems odd.
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