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Serious discussion about SEC Coaches strengths, weaknesses, and futures. First 5 coaches
Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:30 pm
Alabama - Kalen DeBoer: Unquestionably successful track record running bold, aggressive offensive schemes. Defense is a total question mark? Recruiting is a question mark? Major defensive coaching skills questions. The SEC requires GREAT defenses to win big games.
Grade: B
Optimistic he'll learn the SECs tough recruiting & defensive lessons and remain at Alabama for several years.
Arkansas - Sam Pittman: Honest guy trying his best - fair to a fault. Sam's offensive coaching skills aren't sophisticated enough to win in the SEC. Sam and his staff can't recruit the best players needed to win big games. Fanbase lacks confidence he can turn it around.
Grade: C-
Pessimistic he survives 2024
Auburn - Hugh Freeze: Hugh is a great offensive coach with a trick to beat any defense. He's one of the best recruiters in College Football. His weaknesses are his poor character & integrity and lack of defensive priority.
Grade: B+
Optimistic - Hugh will probably stay at Auburn quite a while. I don't see a better opportunity for Freeze anywhere in the future. He's a winner - unfortunately, winning at any cost is the price to be paid for hiring Hugh Freeze.
Florida - Billy Napier: A great guy. Well liked for his personality and respected for his character & integrity. Unfortunately, Billy suffers from second fiddle syndrome - he's a great supporter & follower, but a poor leader. Winning in the SEC requires a strong leader. Billy's team, and the UF fanbase have lost confidence & faith in his ability to lead them - and that is the death rattle for him and his regime. Billy doesn't have what it takes.
Grade: D-
Pessimistic Billy survives 2024
Georgia - Kirby Smart: Tenacious recruiter in the perfect place to get first crack at premium talent. Kirby is not a Saban clone and regularly loses games he's supposed to win. He makes boneheaded mistakes in-game and can't get the best out of his teams sometimes. But Kirby is his own man and a true leader for the young men who attend his alma mater. Don't think Kirby would have had as much success at other HC jobs - but UGA was a match made in heaven.
Grade: A
Optimistic Kirby will remain at UGA until he retires.
Grade: B
Optimistic he'll learn the SECs tough recruiting & defensive lessons and remain at Alabama for several years.
Arkansas - Sam Pittman: Honest guy trying his best - fair to a fault. Sam's offensive coaching skills aren't sophisticated enough to win in the SEC. Sam and his staff can't recruit the best players needed to win big games. Fanbase lacks confidence he can turn it around.
Grade: C-
Pessimistic he survives 2024
Auburn - Hugh Freeze: Hugh is a great offensive coach with a trick to beat any defense. He's one of the best recruiters in College Football. His weaknesses are his poor character & integrity and lack of defensive priority.
Grade: B+
Optimistic - Hugh will probably stay at Auburn quite a while. I don't see a better opportunity for Freeze anywhere in the future. He's a winner - unfortunately, winning at any cost is the price to be paid for hiring Hugh Freeze.
Florida - Billy Napier: A great guy. Well liked for his personality and respected for his character & integrity. Unfortunately, Billy suffers from second fiddle syndrome - he's a great supporter & follower, but a poor leader. Winning in the SEC requires a strong leader. Billy's team, and the UF fanbase have lost confidence & faith in his ability to lead them - and that is the death rattle for him and his regime. Billy doesn't have what it takes.
Grade: D-
Pessimistic Billy survives 2024
Georgia - Kirby Smart: Tenacious recruiter in the perfect place to get first crack at premium talent. Kirby is not a Saban clone and regularly loses games he's supposed to win. He makes boneheaded mistakes in-game and can't get the best out of his teams sometimes. But Kirby is his own man and a true leader for the young men who attend his alma mater. Don't think Kirby would have had as much success at other HC jobs - but UGA was a match made in heaven.
Grade: A
Optimistic Kirby will remain at UGA until he retires.
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:50 pm to TrendingRight
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His weaknesses are his poor character & integrity
Accurate
Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:52 pm to TrendingRight
I give this thread an F-
You’ve got 6-7 Hugh Freeze rated higher than the coach that just played for a national title. You’re trending wrong
You’ve got 6-7 Hugh Freeze rated higher than the coach that just played for a national title. You’re trending wrong
Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:53 pm to TrendingRight
Freeze has a losing record in SEC games.. I wouldn’t be so quick to call him a winner.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:54 pm to TrendingRight
What a myopic list.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:59 pm to TrendingRight
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Kirby is not a Saban clone and regularly loses games he's supposed to win. He makes boneheaded mistakes in-game and can't get the best out of his teams sometimes.
You could say all of this about Saban as well.
When you're at the top, any loss is a game you're supposed to win.
It's a dumb critique anyway, every coach loses games they're supposed to win.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:00 pm to TrendingRight
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Alabama - Kalen DeBoer: Unquestionably successful track record running bold, aggressive offensive schemes.
He’s never seen year 3 as a head coach. There are tons of questions about his non existent track record.
Why do Bama fans not see this? Dude had 4 years as a head coach spread over 2 programs. That’s it. There is nothing else on the resume. No recruiting track record, no staff building, no pressure as a coach, no meat grinder schedule. 2 years at a middling G5 and 2 years in the now dead pac 0
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:01 pm to jamespatterson
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What a myopic list.
It's the first 5 - listed alphabetically Sheesh
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:04 pm to Smokeyone
quote:I guess you didn't read the rest of the critique which - you know - was all negative.
He’s never seen year 3 as a head coach. There are tons of questions about his non existent track record.
Why do Bama fans not see this? Dude had 4 years as a head coach spread over 2 programs. That’s it. There is nothing else on the resume. No recruiting track record, no staff building, no pressure as a coach, no meat grinder schedule. 2 years at a middling G5 and 2 years in the now dead pac 0
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:08 pm to TrendingRight
The way fans judge a coach is incredibly interesting to me.
A bounce here and there changes our entire perception about him, even though those results likely weren't even caused by his ability or inability.
We make judgements about "creativity" or "playcalling" even though the average fan has no way of knowing anything about any of that.
We say a guy like Lincoln Riley is "overrated" and "not a good coach" even though he wins FAR more than he loses.
It's an interesting look into the human mind, for instance I doubt most Alabama fans would trade Kalen DeBoer for another coach right now.
Conversely, none of them would have even considered him as a candidate prior to the 2023 season. A bounce here or there, maybe he loses the Arizona State game, he isn't even considered.
A bounce here and there changes our entire perception about him, even though those results likely weren't even caused by his ability or inability.
We make judgements about "creativity" or "playcalling" even though the average fan has no way of knowing anything about any of that.
We say a guy like Lincoln Riley is "overrated" and "not a good coach" even though he wins FAR more than he loses.
It's an interesting look into the human mind, for instance I doubt most Alabama fans would trade Kalen DeBoer for another coach right now.
Conversely, none of them would have even considered him as a candidate prior to the 2023 season. A bounce here or there, maybe he loses the Arizona State game, he isn't even considered.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:08 pm to TrendingRight
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Serious discussion
B for effort but you’ve come to the wrong place
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:11 pm to FoTownBam
FoTownBam nailed it on this thread.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:16 pm to SidewalkTiger
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The way fans judge a coach is incredibly interesting to me.
A bounce here and there changes our entire perception about him, even though those results likely weren't even caused by his ability or inability.
We make judgements about "creativity" or "playcalling" even though the average fan has no way of knowing anything about any of that.
We say a guy like Lincoln Riley is "overrated" and "not a good coach" even though he wins FAR more than he loses.
It's an interesting look into the human mind, for instance I doubt most Alabama fans would trade Kalen DeBoer for another coach right now.
Conversely, none of them would have even considered him as a candidate prior to the 2023 season. A bounce here or there, maybe he loses the Arizona State game, he isn't even considered.
Great post. But I have to disagree with you. When opportunity meets preparation magic happens. Historically great coaches have been able to maintain and keep it going. That is not luck or dependent on a good or bad bounce - its a great leader getting it right most of the time. Great coaches don't slip thru the cracks.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:20 pm to TrendingRight
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He's a winner - unfortunately, winning at any cost
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:21 pm to TrendingRight
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I guess you didn't read the rest of the critique which - you know - was all negative
It shouldn’t be positive or negative at this point. We don’t have sufficient data to say anything about Deboer beyond he’s a decent intramural coach.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:22 pm to TrendingRight
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Great post. But I have to disagree with you. When opportunity meets preparation magic happens. Historically great coaches have been able to maintain and keep it going. That is not luck or dependent on a good or bad bounce - its a great leader getting it right most of the time. Great coaches don't slip thru the cracks.
I think they can. People slip through the cracks in all facets of life, coaching isn't any different.
Who's to say a guy like Lance Liepold wouldn't have won multiple natties if he gets a chance at an elite program earlier in his career?
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:29 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:Can't and won't argue with your honest beliefs. I just disagree that people with the drive and skills to become great multiple Championship winning caliber coaches get lost in the shuffle. If they got lost in the shuffle they were missing some key ingredient to begin with. Agree people get lost in the shuffle in all walks of life - but not the great ones.
I think they can. People slip through the cracks in all facets of life, coaching isn't any different.
Who's to say a guy like Lance Liepold wouldn't have won multiple natties if he gets a chance at an elite program earlier in his career?
eta - Can you imagine any scenario (other than disability or death) that would have kept Elon Musk, Bear Bryant, or Donald Trump from reaching the pinnacles of success? Being driven to success is innate and overcomes obstacles mere humans fall over. It's the mind - not the body.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:37 pm to TrendingRight
quote:Kirby didn’t lose a game for 2 years. So this is factually stupid
regularly loses games he's supposed to win
quote:Either the most banal statement about coaching 18-21 y/o’s ever made, or, you’re disingenuously comparing him to what you/your fellow fans call the GOAT. You can’t have it both ways just for a chance to dog Kirby
nd can't get the best out of his teams sometimes
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:45 pm to Demosthenian
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regularly loses games he's supposed to win
Kirby didn’t lose a game for 2 years. So this is factually stupid
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nd can't get the best out of his teams sometimes
Either the most banal statement about coaching 18-21 y/o’s ever made, or, you’re disingenuously comparing him to what you/your fellow fans call the GOAT. You can’t have it both ways just for a chance to dog Kirby
It's my opinion Kirby is a good coach who fell into a dream situation and made the most of it. Kirby has the drive and grit in his gut to reach the summit. But he's not a coaching messiah. He makes dumb mistakes at crucial times and sometimes just schemes wrong - or doesn't get his team mentally prepared. I respect Kirby and think he'll win several more NCs - but I don't think he's a coaching genius. I think he worked for a coaching genius and took all he could from the experience - and built a monster from his blue collar approach to coaching to build the perfect storm of UGAs locale and all the talent in close proximity.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:12 pm to TrendingRight
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regularly loses games he's supposed to win.
This is a really bad take considering since 2020 Kirby has only lost four games with a record of 50-4, three of which were to Saban and the other one was during the 2020 season where the team was a bit of mess
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 10:14 pm
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