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Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:00 am to Cheese Grits
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If you are part of the family then you have to respect the family history. Too much ACC vs SEC cross scheduling to ever go to 9 games. Instead of the SEC bending to the will of the Hogs, why not have the Hogs bend to the will of the SEC.
Have the Hogs play the equivalent of an SEC cross ACC game
a) Oklahoma every year in Dallas just to piss off Texas
b) Home and home with Kansas just to mess with Missouri
c) Home and home with Wisconsin just for the ratings
d) Home and home with Minnesota just because Hogs vs Gophers sounds funny
You get the idea.
Yea, I get all that, but the family obligations are becoming too much. I never wanted to expand in the first place, but we did and things changed, so why not go all in?
Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:09 am to dcbl
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no more fricking expansion
please
lets just drop the fricking divisions and give everyone 3 or 4 permanent opponents
top 2 teams in Atlanta
call it a day
^This
Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:10 am to phil4bama
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West:
LSU
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Missouri
North:
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vandy
Clemson
Central:
Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss State
East:
UGA
Florida
FSU
S. Carolina
No. It should be like this:
Big 7 Division:
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Florida
UGA
FSU
Little 9 Division:
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Missouri
Clemson
Kentucky
Vandy
Ole Miss
Miss State
S. Carolina
frickLSU®
Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:20 am to KaiserSoze99
Tough talk from a fan of a team they had 2 squeakers and then got smoked...
Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:28 am to phil4bama
It really is as simple as eliminating divisions entirely and rotating all 8 conference games
Posted on 6/18/15 at 5:41 am to Cockopotamus
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech
Georgia
Florida
North Carolina State
South Carolina
Alabama
Auburn
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Arkansas
LSU
Missouri
Texas A&M
Any questions
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech
Georgia
Florida
North Carolina State
South Carolina
Alabama
Auburn
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Arkansas
LSU
Missouri
Texas A&M
Any questions
Posted on 6/18/15 at 6:09 am to beachreb61
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Tough talk from a fan of a team they had 2 squeakers and then got smoked...
Tough talk? What do you mean? I put A&M in the Little 9.,,
...unless you think A&M belongs in the Big 7.
Somebody falls for it every time and inadvertantly says what we know you all are thinking.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 6:48 am to beachreb61
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squeakers
Posted on 6/18/15 at 7:00 am to murfvol
I agree.
And now that we are in the SEC I am against further expansion.
But I want us to go to 9 SEC games.
And now that we are in the SEC I am against further expansion.
But I want us to go to 9 SEC games.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 9:04 am to The Balinese Club
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I want us to go to 9 SEC games
You can want all you want but you are not breaking up the ACC vs SEC cartel. Better to join the fray and figure out a long term P5 rival game for 9th game for the likes of TAMU.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:06 am to Cheese Grits
So why is it ok for every other P5 league, including the ACC, to play nine league games plus one other P5 OOC? That means everyone else is playing ten big boy games and we are playing nine big boy games. In other words, the ACC is playing a nine game schedule and four of its members are playing one SEC game annually OOC. Five of the remaining teams will play ND in addition to their nine game ACC schedule.
While we play eight SEC games and one P5 OOC, with four of our schools playing one ACC team annually. Again, that's nine meaningful games for the SEC and ten meaningful games for everyone else.
While we play eight SEC games and one P5 OOC, with four of our schools playing one ACC team annually. Again, that's nine meaningful games for the SEC and ten meaningful games for everyone else.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:44 am to The Balinese Club
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So why is it ok for every other P5 league, including the ACC, to play nine league games plus one other P5 OOC?
Look at the dynamics, and the ACC said they were going to 9 but may have backtracked to 8
PAC can play 9 because not many P5 schools in their footprint. Playing Washington State for that 9th win means more viewers and not paying some western directional school 1 million for a rent a win game. PAC going to 9 conference games makes the most sense of the P5 conferences. Only USCw and Notre Dame game is a long term cross rival and the irish are still IND in CFB.
B1G and B12 can play 9 because the bottom of both are football crap and the middle schools are not ratings bonanzas. The only cross rival between these two is the Iowa vs Iowa State game and that is not exactly burning up the TV ratings. Going to 9 for either has no historical impact and probably saves money long term on the "rent a win" games by keeping the crap games in conference.
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four of our schools playing one ACC team annually.
You really need a history lesson of the SEC. Sure we have the 4 set games between the SEC and ACC but we have many more near annual games especially when it comes to the east teams. Auburn plays Clemson like every 2nd or 3rd year on average, Florida plays Miami about every 5 years on average, and Georgia plays Clemson a lot. UNC and SC may not play every year but their is a long history of playing each other. Vanderbilt has long term ties with the ACC schools and the Wake Forest series has just wrapped up but probably will be replaced over time with another ACC team.
Go back and look at the history between the charter SEC schools and the ACC ones and you will see way more than just the 4 teams always quoted in the match. In short, playing 8 in the SEC is like playing 9 in the other 4 conferences and if you buy into that crap you are just buying what the B1G and PAC are selling. Both would love for the SEC to go to 9 and increase their chances of getting a playoff spot each and very year.
Wake up man.
If TAMU wants to use that 9th slot to play a Top 25 non conference P5 school, nobody is going to stop you and the folks in College Station will better understand why 8 beats 9 any day.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:05 am to Cheese Grits
First of all, we have home and homes scheduled with P5 schools OOC annually from here on out. So that puts us at nine meaningful games. And I do "get" the close ties to many of the ACC teams. But other than the four schools with annual games all those extra ACC/SEC games count as the required P5 game. And I understood that UF wasn't interested in playing Miami anymore?
FWIW, we have a decent history with Clemson including our upcoming series. I could also see us scheduling VT quite often as well once we get past the neutral site issue with Arkansas. So, I do "get" the ties to the ACC.
However, as fans, many folks are tired of the games with the little sisters of the poor. And the playoff actually allows you to play a harder schedule, not an easier one. Also, a nine game SEC schedule allows us to see the other division more often.
FWIW, we have a decent history with Clemson including our upcoming series. I could also see us scheduling VT quite often as well once we get past the neutral site issue with Arkansas. So, I do "get" the ties to the ACC.
However, as fans, many folks are tired of the games with the little sisters of the poor. And the playoff actually allows you to play a harder schedule, not an easier one. Also, a nine game SEC schedule allows us to see the other division more often.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:21 am to The Balinese Club
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I could also see us scheduling VT quite often as well once we get past the neutral site issue with Arkansas. So, I do "get" the ties to the ACC.
: kige :
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But other than the four schools with annual games all those extra ACC/SEC games count as the required P5 game.
Obviously you don't get it yet as it means 10 not 9 games in some years. South Carolina does not cancel Clemson to play UNC, they play both in the same year. Same with Florida playing Free Shoes and Miami in the same year. Just because some in the west have a history of scheduling light does not mean that fully represents the conference as a whole. When Georgia plays Clemson, they do not give up the Georgia Tech game to do so. Kentucky plays Louisville every year but they have history with both Indiana, Cincinnati, Virginia Tech, and other current ACC schools.
On top of this you have the Chic Fil A game every fall which becomes a solid 10th P5 game for the SEC teams involved. The B1G and PAC going to 9 made sense for them but that does not mean it makes sense to the SEC or ACC. If you are so set on 9 then you should have been in the TAMU to the PAC crowd. As TAMU chose the SEC they need to become part of the collective and accept the folks in Birmingham are smart enough to know what will work best for the future of the conference as a whole.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 1:06 pm to Cheese Grits
Don't be an a-hole by playing that "you don't 'get' the SEC stuff if I think we should play nine games. I get the SEC, and you can go frick yourself if you think we should be in the PAC simply because I think we should play 9 games. LSU fans want to do away with the permanent rivals, and many of them also want nine games. Do they not "get" the SEC either?
Just get off your high horse.
Just get off your high horse.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 1:12 pm to dcbl
quote:A man with a PLAN!
no more fricking expansion please lets just drop the fricking divisions and give everyone 3 or 4 permanent opponents top 2 teams in Atlanta call it a day
Posted on 6/18/15 at 1:27 pm to The Balinese Club
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Don't be an a-hole by playing that "you don't 'get' the SEC stuff if I think we should play nine games.
I am not trying to be an a-hole, it just gets tiring when this topic has been discussed to death and yet folks keep bringing it up. After so many times you just get tired and tend to be more blunt.
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LSU fans want to do away with the permanent rivals, and many of them also want nine games.
The year they played both WVU and Oregon was a great regular season but that will not happen if the SEC goes to 9 because no SEC team wants to get that beat up and still hope they can make it into the playoff.
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Just get off your high horse.
It is not being on a high horse but more of a been there and seen that mentality. Have TAMU schedule 8 + Top 25 non conference + Top 50 - Top 75 P5 and then do that for about a decade. Then get back to me and see if you still want TAMU to play 8 or 9 conference games. I am willing to bet you would view what I already view today.
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you can go frick yourself if you think we should be in the PAC simply because I think we should play 9 games.
Then quit spouting the PAC and B1G lines about going to 9 when 9 is no big deal for either of them. Again, it is not like this debate is new and remember it was the B1G and PAC that started it. Keep in mind it was also the B1G and PAC schools that would not cross the line and join the CFA. Not 1 school in either conference joined the CFA. I did not buy their argument s then and I do not buy them now.
We are the SEC and we are successful by acting in the best interest of the SEC. I am not jumping off a bridge just because some B1G or PAC person says it is the thing to do.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 2:43 pm to phil4bama
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phil4bama
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Let's shake things up again and one up the B1G and PAC 12 who are constantly bitching about us not playing 9 conference games. Let's go to four 4 team pods and do it this way. Expand again and add Clemson and FSU. Carolina and Gator fans will just have to put their big boy panties on and deal with it. If the states of Alabama and Mississippi can support 2 SEC schools, they have no room to complain. Other options could be Oklahoma, NC, NC State, Va Tech, or name your own choice. West: LSU Texas A&M Arkansas Missouri North: Kentucky Tennessee Vandy Clemson Central: Alabama Auburn Ole Miss Miss State East: UGA Florida FSU S. Carolina You play the 3 teams in your pod and one permanent opponent from 1 other pod. You also play 1 rotating opponent from that same pod your permanent is in and 2 rotating teams from the other 2 pods. Total of 9 conference games. That way, you face every team in the conference in a 3 year span. The pod winners face each other in a semi-final game seeded on overall conference record and the winners of the semis face each other for the SEC title. Because of the added game, SEC has to drop back to two out of conference games so the SEC champ still only plays 13 games.
I think this is an idea that has merit. To be honest I thought of something like this when discussing conference realignment a few years back on another board.
My question is that you'd obviously have a pod-playoff under your scenario. How do you align those? Geographically? Based on strength or total record? IE-like reseeding after the regular season based on strength of the pod or the champion of it?
It's definitely a concept that's always intrigued me.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 2:55 pm to phil4bama
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