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re: SEC officials: penalty should have been called on Dial
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:02 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:02 pm to Choctaw
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maybe he led with his shoulder maybe he didn't...but that doesn't negate the fact that the crown of his helmet is buried in Murrays facemask
If you want to call that unnecessary roughness, I got no problem with that. But you cant suspend him. Kid didnt break a rule, and he wasnt head hunting.
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Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:02 pm to LSUdm21
quote:This idiot actually thinks you can determine whether the forearm or helmet hit first based on a still picture from the neck up.
LSUdm21
I applaud your lunacy and irrational Bama hatred.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:02 pm to troywew
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troywew
Agree with every word of your post.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:02 pm to Lg
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If this had been a punt return and Murray was a defender and got hit the same way, would there be the outrage? On any video clip in any stadium you will see these crackback blocks on unsuspecting defenders and every body cries out "boom"!! Just because it was the qb pursuing the play, as a defender, there is "outrage".
I refuse to believe y'all are this dumb.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:03 pm to baytiger
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the crown of his helmet magically hit Murray's
I bet his head came forward when the blow to his chest was received.
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while Murray's casual jog would have definitely put the ballcarrier at risk.
Ummm...don't pursue/don't get rocked.
With that said, I wish he would have been given 15 yrds for unneccessary roughness and just shut everyone up.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:03 pm to TreyAnastasio
quote:then what are you arguing about? the flag, had it been thrown, would have been for unnecessary roughness.
If you want to call that unnecessary roughness, I got no problem with that.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:03 pm to NBamaAlum
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:04 pm to TreyAnastasio
Well it was an illegal hit and should have been called. I do not think you can suspend Dial because you'll have to debate if Murray was a defenseless player. That hit is no different than some of the crack back blocks you see on kick off returns. In terms of a defenseless player think of the play as a kickoff return and Murray as a tightend.
I don't think Dial is a dirty player. I think he's no different than any defensive player with an opportunity to take a bit hit on the opposing QB.
I don't think Dial is a dirty player. I think he's no different than any defensive player with an opportunity to take a bit hit on the opposing QB.
This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:04 pm to baytiger
quote:I'm talking to people in this thread. People saying absurd things that video shows clearly aren't true.
so Shaw is a Bama hater?
And I find it very interesting that no LSU fan that brought up their fb will answer whether or not he was suspended.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:04 pm to gatordmb89
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am going to be in the minority, but in all these gifs, etc, you can clearly see that he led with his forearm/shoulder to Murray's chest/shoulder region. With that being said, he did end up making helmet to helmet contact with Murray.
Then its not a penalty. Helmets make contact with one another on tackles and blocks in every game. To argue otherwise is just ridiculous.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:04 pm to baytiger
quote:SUSPENSION. Jesus, read the thread.
then what are you arguing about? the flag, had it been thrown, would have been for unnecessary roughness.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:04 pm to baytiger
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then what are you arguing about? the flag, had it been thrown, would have been for unnecessary roughness.
Im arguing that he shouldn't be suspended.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:04 pm to NATidefan
He's right. Hill had just rushed down(like 20 yd rush) to the Bama 5, and right as Hill is getting tackled Copland lands a dirty and unnecessary blow on a bama defender. I forget at what point in the game, but I believe it was the first half and the momentum quickly shifted to bama. The penalty negated the run and took us out of FG range. U believe that was the 54 yd attempt or the fake FG blunder.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:05 pm to ugastudent
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"By rule, you can't hit a defenseless player above the shoulders," Shaw said. "What the determination needs to be is was this a defenseless player and was contact initiated above the shoulders? When we go through video review of it, that's what we'll have to determine. And then you as you break it down, did he lead with the head or lead with the shoulder?
Last time I checked the chest is below the shoulders.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:05 pm to TreyAnastasio
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then waht in the frick does?
Eye gouging
Well, to be fair it did draw a flag.
Or did you mean a flag on the gouger instead of the gougee?
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:05 pm to genro
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This idiot actually thinks you can determine whether the forearm or helmet hit first based on a still picture from the neck up.
I applaud your lunacy and irrational Bama hatred.
It doesn't matter which hit first. It's helmet to helmet contact. LSU was flagged multiple times this year for "contact above the shoulders" including one that negated a pretty big play against you frickers.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:05 pm to TreyAnastasio
Great, the Pussification of America continues.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:05 pm to troywew
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troywew
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I'm glad Murray was OK. Dial did intend to knock the shite out of Murray. Did he intend to give Murray a concussion, I don't know? Had Dial hit a lineman in the same way, the lineman prolly wouldn't even have lost his footing. 300 lb vs 175 ib favors the 300 lb guy. Like a Mack truck hitting a Chev S-10.
Murray took a serious big boy shot, that he probably could/should have avoided or at least mitigated. Dial did bend down, maybe to try and make a helmet contact or maybe to try and avoid one. Dial is nearly a foot taller than Murray. This sometimes happens where players of differing heights collide. Also happens when a running back lowers his head.
The true cheap shot in this case would have been Dial hitting Murray at the knees...likely would have torn a ligament.
I do think the SEC over reacted earlier in the season with suspensions. The refs know which of these players are dirty and which aren't, but a penalty certainly wouldn't have been argued much by either side
Good post, iyam.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:06 pm to genro
quote:I don't care if Dial get suspended or not. I'm just saying that there should have been a flag, and the ref was standing 10 feet from the play and didn't throw one (despite looking directly at it).
And I find it very interesting that no LSU fan that brought up their fb will answer whether or not he was suspended.
Copeland was rightly flagged on his bad block.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:06 pm to LSUdm21
quote:WAS HE SUSPENDED???
It doesn't matter which hit first. It's helmet to helmet contact. LSU was flagged multiple times this year for "contact above the shoulders" including one that negated a pretty big play against you frickers.
We've all said Dial should've been flagged.
Now, was your guy suspended? Answer the damn question (third time I've asked)
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