Started By
Message
re: SEC Mythbusters: Saban did not build LSU
Posted on 12/19/11 at 3:05 pm to Gravitiger
Posted on 12/19/11 at 3:05 pm to Gravitiger
quote:
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If bama thought saban was some football genius, why didn't they get him from Mich St. when they were playing merry-go-'round with coaches?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Because Bama didn't need a coach when LSU hired Saban. DuBose had just won an SEC championship that year and they were preseason top 5 going into the next season. When DuBose tanked out, Saban was not going to leave LSU that soon.
But saban was available in '97. bama could have gone after him then.
1
Posted on 12/19/11 at 3:37 pm to hybrid3
quote:He wasn't ready or good enough then. You don't think he improved his coaching ability and resume' between 1997 and 2007 when Bama finally hired him?
But saban was available in '97. bama could have gone after him then.
DuBose was a highly successful defensive assistant for highly successful defenses for years under Stallings. Coupled with his Bama pedigree, and their insistence on hiring within the family, DuBose was probably more qualified for the Bama job than Saban was in 1997. Saban had only one seven-win season at MSU at that point. Then he continued to improve as a coach, and his resume' got better in the two years between '97 and '99, which made LSU want him.
Plus at that time LSU was nowhere near as good a job as Bama was, so being qualified to coach at LSU didn't necessarily make him qualified to coach at Bama.
It continues to amaze me that people don't even consider historical context when they post stuff like this.
This post was edited on 12/19/11 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 12/19/11 at 3:53 pm to TreyAnastasio
Saban laid out a vision that no one at LSU had seen before. LSU bought into that vision and has taken it to a whole new level with Miles. But there is no denying that Saban gave LSU administration that vision.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 3:55 pm to willeteal
shite, YOU'RE RIGHT. Gerry DiNardo deserves all the credit for building LSU into a power today. That's why so many other Division I programs were so eager to snatch him up after LSU let him go...oh wait...
Tell me, what programs has he turned around since then?
Tell me, what programs has he turned around since then?
Posted on 12/19/11 at 3:56 pm to BrocraticMethod
He turned your mother around last night. 
Posted on 12/19/11 at 4:27 pm to willeteal
quote:
LSU built Saban.
No
Posted on 12/19/11 at 6:06 pm to FreddieMac
quote:
Saban laid out a vision that no one at LSU had seen before. LSU bought into that vision and has taken it to a whole new level with Miles. But there is no denying that Saban gave LSU administration that vision.
1. CGD had this vision, however the adminstration did not back him with the MM$$$$ thus could not hold onto the staff that had started to "Bring back the magic" He did, however start the process of keeping the in state talent in state.
I give him 1/3 of the credit on the rebuild.
2. Dr. Mark A. Emmert laid out a vision that no one at LSU had seen before. He was able to convince the adminidtration to spend the MM$$$$ for Saban, and assure CNS that he would have the things needed to be successful.
I give Dr. Mark A. Emmert 1/3 credit.
3. Nick Saban, great coach who continued the process by building on the momentum in recruiting, and energizing a very passionate fan base. 1/3 credit.
4. Last but not least, Steward of the program, motivator of men, Les Miles.
Best coach in the Country, and it is not close.
Best coach in LSU history, bar none.
This post was edited on 12/19/11 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 12/19/11 at 6:48 pm to RMFTide
quote: 4) It's Bama that owes its current success to LSU. silly tiger
This isn't insecurity.
It's the panic of someone who's Dream Team is about to get Hat-Tricked by Les Miles.
This isn't insecurity.
It's the panic of someone who's Dream Team is about to get Hat-Tricked by Les Miles.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 6:48 pm to willeteal
quote:
So please let's never hear this shite again about how Saban built LSU. Or that Saban's fingerprints are on LSU's success. IT's LSU's pawprints that are on Saban's success.
I get tired of hearing that shite also!
Posted on 12/19/11 at 6:49 pm to Gravitiger
quote:
Because Bama didn't need a coach when LSU hired Saban. DuBose had just won an SEC championship that year and they were preseason top 5 going into the next season. When DuBose tanked out, Saban was not going to leave LSU that soon.
This is Mike Price-less.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 6:52 pm to Gravitiger
quote:
Yes, DuBose was a player under Bryant and DC under Stallings. But regardless, they did not need a coach in November 1999 when Saban was available, which answer the question why they did not go after Saban at that time.
Yeah, that's why they weren't all over him.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 6:54 pm to willeteal
You're right but for all the wrong reasons. LSU was showing signs of being a great program under Dinardo. In 1996, LSU finished the season ranked 12th in the country and in 1997, they finished the year ranked #13 in the country. In 1997, they also beat Spurrier's Florida team that finished the season ranked in the top 5. Than LSU completely regressed in his last two years there. But they were showing signs of a sleeping giant that was starting to awaken. Dinardo deserves a lot more credit for his role in LSU's current success.
This post was edited on 12/19/11 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 12/19/11 at 6:57 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
quote:
You're right but for all the wrong reasons. LSU was showing signs of being a great program under Dinardo. In 1996, LSU finished the season ranked 12th in the country and in 1997, they finished the year ranked #13 in the country. In 1997, they also beat Spurrier's Florida team that finished the season ranked in the top 5. Than LSU completely regressed in his last two years there. But they were showing signs of a sleeping giant that was starting to awaken. Dinardo deserves a lot more credit for his role in LSU's current success.
So, what you're saying is that because LSU finished outside the top 10 twice and beat a top 5 team once that they were a great team? Are you an Ole Miss fan?
Posted on 12/19/11 at 6:58 pm to willeteal
Spin baby Spin!!!
Posted on 12/19/11 at 7:02 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
quote:
Dinardo deserves a lot more credit for his role in LSU's current success.
No he doesn't.
But LSU -- and by LSU, I mean the local talent, everything made Saban.
Without LSU, he may have gone on to have a mediocre pro career.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 7:10 pm to Tha Truth
quote:
Using that analogy, Bear Bryant built the most beautiful mansion in the south and kept it up for a long time. When he moved out, the leasing company moved in a series of families from the projects in to the property with each leaving the house in worse condition than they found it. When Saban moved in, sure, the house was standing... but it was hardly the beauty that it once was. If it weren't for him moving in, that old house was on the verge of looking like all of those beautiful Mississippi homes on 90 after Katrina came through. When you're looking at a slab of cement it doesn't matter how grand the house that stood there once was.
and using your analogy....when a structure is built solidly with a strong foundation, it most likely will withstand the test of time and will be rebuilt, remodeled, improved. the people who excell within their fields have the ability to recognize potential and to build on that.
bear bryant built on the successes of wallace wade and frank thomas. he didn't just walk into tuscaloosa and create a winning program by himself
Posted on 12/19/11 at 7:10 pm to willeteal
There is an original article about Saban being on the hot seat at MSU in 1999. It's a archive pay site. But part of the article is here.
LINK
The second is a little paragraph run in Sports Illustrated in 1999.
LSU did make Saban. He didn't make LSU.
LINK
Here is another in Detroit Free Press. The guy sucked before he came to LSU.
LINK
LINK
The second is a little paragraph run in Sports Illustrated in 1999.
LSU did make Saban. He didn't make LSU.
quote:
Coach on the Hot Seat
Nick Saban, Michigan State
MSU fans are getting restless as Saban continues to rack up bewilderingly inconsistent, 6-6-type seasons despite playing with NFL talent like Sedrick Irvin and Dimitrius Underwood.
LINK
Here is another in Detroit Free Press. The guy sucked before he came to LSU.
LINK
This post was edited on 12/19/11 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 12/19/11 at 7:23 pm to vjp819
quote:
There is an original article about Saban being on the hot seat at MSU in 1999. It's a archive pay site. But part of the article is here.
LINK
The second is a little paragraph run in Sports Illustrated in 1999.
LSU did make Saban. He didn't make LSU.
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Coach on the Hot Seat
Nick Saban, Michigan State
MSU fans are getting restless as Saban continues to rack up bewilderingly inconsistent, 6-6-type seasons despite playing with NFL talent like Sedrick Irvin and Dimitrius Underwood.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LINK
Here is another in Detroit Free Press. The guy sucked before he came to LSU.
LINK
Posted on 12/19/11 at 7:23 pm to vjp819
that sounds a lot like lsu fans last year talking about miles...
Posted on 12/19/11 at 7:27 pm to bingo
don't really care what it sounds like. The title of this thread is "Saban did not build LSU" and I think it proves the point.
Page 4 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News