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re: SEC Mythbusters: Saban did not build LSU

Posted on 12/19/11 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
89834 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 12:10 pm to
Jesus H. Christ...

fricking let the Saban thing go.

Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 12:12 pm to
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Jesus H. Christ... fricking let the Saban thing go.


But we're bout to beat his arse again
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32453 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 12:15 pm to
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SEC Mythbusters: Saban did not build LSU

Did LSU coach themselves?
Posted by DvlsAdvocat
Your Mom's House, AL
Member since Jul 2007
24491 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 12:35 pm to
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3) If Saban had built LSU, they would have fallen off after he left. But LSU has gotten BETTER since Saban left.


If I clear a field and build a house on it, it doesn't disintegrate when I move on to another field...especially if I build it well, with a strong foundation. It should perfectly capable of being expanded on to and of supporting new owners.
Posted by hawgcaller
Member since Nov 2011
3 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 12:42 pm to
Saban will own the kittys in January.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123848 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 1:01 pm to
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1) Prior to arriving in Baton Rouge, Saban was a middle of the road coach in an inferior conference.

2) LSU's former coach, the woefully inept Gerry Dinardo skullf&@cked Saban's MSU team like 55-26.

3) If Saban had built LSU, they would have fallen off after he left. But LSU has gotten BETTER since Saban left. LSU made Saban a household name, not the other way around.

4) It's Bama that owes its current success to LSU.
Stupid is, as stupid does, and stupid did plenty in the OP.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 1:06 pm to
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If I clear a field and build a house on it, it doesn't disintegrate when I move on to another field...especially if I build it well, with a strong foundation. It should perfectly capable of being expanded on to and of supporting new owners.


So if lsu didn't hire mark emmerett, would lsu be where they are?

Just answer the question.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123848 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 1:10 pm to
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So if lsu didn't hire mark emmerett, would lsu be where they are?
No. (assuming you meant Mark Emmert)
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 1:12 pm to
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No. (assuming you meant Mark Emmert)


So who hired him? TAF?
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15585 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 1:28 pm to
Saban won an SEC Title with Dinardo's players his his second year, the promptly flopped to 5 losses in '02.
Posted by Swampcat
Member since Dec 2003
10250 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 1:40 pm to
Also Saban beat Miles and the tigers this year. Very important point.
Posted by Tammany Tom
Mandeville
Member since Jun 2004
3166 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 1:40 pm to
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This is the most accurate statement made. Without Emmert, LSU and Saban may not be where they are. Hats off to Emmert for his vision. I'm glad saban was the one Emmert chose and he did the job he did for the Tigers. If bama thought saban was some football genius, why didn't they get him from Mich St. when they were playing merry-go-'round with coaches?


Everyone wants to give Saban 100% of the credit in rebuilding LSU, because he was the most visible to the football public. Football fans assume that he was hired at LSU and had the same playing field as DiNardo and Hallman, but he had advantages that they never had. Hallman was worthless as a coach, but DiNardo actually was pretty good. It wasn't his fault that LSU wouldn't pony up the cash to pay for good asst. coaches. When LSU (ie cheap Joe Dean) wouldn't give him the money to pay Carl Reese, Reese left and DiNardo had to hire a new DC on the cheap and LSU faltered miserably.

LSU opened up the wallet and gave Saban anything and everything he wanted.

Saban was the perfect coach to rebuild the program, however, with all the funds thrown at him. He was ruthless, brilliant, and a major workaholic, that demanded perfection. So, major kudo's have to be given to him for his part in rebuilding the program. I will always be thankful to him for what he did at LSU.
Posted by RMFTide
USA
Member since Nov 2011
1066 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 1:41 pm to
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4) It's Bama that owes its current success to LSU.

silly tiger
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
10391 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 2:09 pm to
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If bama thought saban was some football genius, why didn't they get him from Mich St. when they were playing merry-go-'round with coaches?
Because Bama didn't need a coach when LSU hired Saban. DuBose had just won an SEC championship that year and they were preseason top 5 going into the next season. When DuBose tanked out, Saban was not going to leave LSU that soon.
Posted by LSU Tigerhead
Metairie
Member since Nov 2007
4961 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 2:11 pm to
Great post.
quote:

Saban, to his credit, understood what facilities needed to be built to attract elite prospects. While other schools spent all their money on football stadiums, Saban understood what facilities truly attracted elite prospects and those are the ones that the players use every single day, so that's what LSU spent their money on.(football ops center, athletic academic center, indoor practice facility, student-athlete housing, weight room, etc.,etc.
So true. Saban insisted on improving the facilities and LSU obliged. Even though both LSU and Saban benefited from this union, LSU benefited more.

I respect Saban for what he did at LSU but I don't need to like the guy.
Posted by eXfaktor
A 10 by 11 Dump
Member since Jan 2011
1559 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 2:15 pm to
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I don't know why some LSU fans can't accept the fact that Saban was very good to and for LSU.

Now, with that said, LSU was very good for Saban and his career just as much as he was good to LSU.

What most people don't understand is that Mark Emmert had just as much, if not more, to do with LSU's success as Saban did. Emmert was hired in 1999 and he recognized that LSU needed a strong football program to help build the overall strength of the university.

Emmert fired Joe Dean and hand picked Nick Saban as the next football coach at LSU. Emmert is the one who raised the money to hire Saban and pay for a first class team of asst. coaches.

Saban did his homework and understood the recruiting base of LA and how most LA recruits weren't staying home to play.

Emmert is the one how put all the wheels in motion to raise all the hundreds of millions of dollars to build new football facilities.

Saban, to his credit, understood what facilities needed to be built to attract elite prospects. While other schools spent all their money on football stadiums, Saban understood what facilities truly attracted elite prospects and those are the ones that the players use every single day, so that's what LSU spent their money on.(football ops center, athletic academic center, indoor practice facility, student-athlete housing, weight room, etc.,etc.

Emmert was also smart enough to give Saban full power to run the football program and keep the meddling boosters at bay. Bama, to their credit, did the same when they hired him. LSU, to their credit, have kept that power structure in place and have allowed Miles to run the football program without meddling boosters to interfere.



If you keepd sifting through the muddied waters, you will eventually happen upon a gold nugget.

This is that nugget.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127394 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 2:16 pm to
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Because Bama didn't need a coach when LSU hired Saban. DuBose had just won an SEC championship that year and they were preseason top 5 going into the next season. When DuBose tanked out, Saban was not going to leave LSU that soon.


Wasn't Bama still settling for hiring guys from within their own circle as well?
Posted by chimneylooker
Nashville
Member since Sep 2011
561 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 2:17 pm to
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willeteal


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Saban did not build LSU


This link is just for you
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
10391 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 2:28 pm to
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Wasn't Bama still settling for hiring guys from within their own circle as well?
Yes, DuBose was a player under Bryant and DC under Stallings. But regardless, they did not need a coach in November 1999 when Saban was available, which answer the question why they did not go after Saban at that time.
Posted by Tha Truth
Kenner
Member since Apr 2008
417 posts
Posted on 12/19/11 at 2:39 pm to
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If I clear a field and build a house on it, it doesn't disintegrate when I move on to another field...especially if I build it well, with a strong foundation. It should perfectly capable of being expanded on to and of supporting new owners.



Using that analogy, Bear Bryant built the most beautiful mansion in the south and kept it up for a long time. When he moved out, the leasing company moved in a series of families from the projects in to the property with each leaving the house in worse condition than they found it. When Saban moved in, sure, the house was standing... but it was hardly the beauty that it once was. If it weren't for him moving in, that old house was on the verge of looking like all of those beautiful Mississippi homes on 90 after Katrina came through. When you're looking at a slab of cement it doesn't matter how grand the house that stood there once was.
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