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re: SEC Leads Nation in FBS Attendance (See UAB numbers)
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:55 am to higgs_boson
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:55 am to higgs_boson
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Do not lie to the mayor of Birmingham saying no decision has been made.
In fairness to the BoT, keeping the Birmingham leadership out of the conversation was probably for the best. We're talking about a community about as good as managing finances as Scott Stapp.
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:56 am to ArabianKnight
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There just isn't enough interest from the population in bham to support somebody other than Bama and AU
They were fifth in the conference in attendance this year...
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:56 am to bobsacamano
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Plenty of people cared, that's not why UAB does not have a football program. Hell the university would not accept donations for football while Watts was there.
What?
True story.
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Jimmy Filler, a huge booster approached the President with pledges for a indoor practice facility. It was when the President evaded accepting the money and commenting on football, that he began to suspect something was afoot. Shortly after that, the letter outing the plan was sent to the news and UAB.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:56 am to bobsacamano
People bringing up th money argument are dumb. Possibly ignorant of the history of the UAT BOT and their efforts to prevent UAB from succeeding for decades as well
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:56 am to cas4t
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They've been trying to kill UAB football for a decade now
In my opinion, UAB football jumped into Division I (FBS) too soon. I believe they should have stayed Division II or FCS, and could have been successful. There is simply not enough support for an FBS team at UAB. And spare me the "but there are other teams who have fewer in attendance than UAB" drama; many of those that consistently lose the money that UAB was losing will be shut down in the coming years as well.
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But to act like this money will go to save the fricking manatees or that it'll result in a decrease in costs for students is uneducated and naive
I never claimed that a student cost decrease would happen, or that any manatees would be saved.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:56 am to higgs_boson
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College is not a business. By your logic only 25 schools should have college football. Again, there can be rational arguments for killing a program. The way this was done was not correct. Put it to the boosters and community --- "if X amount of dollars cannot be raised, we will have no choice but to cancel X". Do not commission a report to justify what you are already planning to do. Do not lie to the mayor of Birmingham saying no decision has been made. Do not lie to the new head coach when he signs on. Do not then hide from the community. UAB leadership is crippled atm. The President could not even speak or shake hands at graduation. He is meeting with various departments this week scrambling to avoid a no confidence vote. The faculty are not overly concerned with football, they are upset, that unlike most major universities, choices are made unilaterally without input from stakeholders. These issues are about much more than football. They are about the identity and future of UAB.
Sorry for the lack of spacing in the quote. On my phone
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:56 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
What was their motivation?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:57 am to cas4t
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Because these are even slightly related. Your deflections are proving your ignorance. I have to get back to work now.
They're absolutely related. Two government programs that were paid for with debt that are now ended. Neither will result in a reduction of taxes/tuition. I hope your job doesn't require critical thinking.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:59 am to cas4t
I have enjoyed these UAB threads. So many Alabama fans fall for the same old shiny hook from LSU and AU posters. If you ever actually get a response from the incensed Auburn or LSU fan, it is clear that none of them ever gave one shite about UAB until the BOT decided to shut down the football program. If you never supported the Blazers, with your money or as a fan, no reasonable person is going to trust your motives for posting here. The reaction to the news here in Alabama has been very quiet, because, outside the players and coaches, no one cared about UAB football.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:59 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Why doesn't AUM have an FBS football program?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:59 am to Patton
You tell me. I'm simply pointing out the well documented history of the UAT BOT working hard to prevent Uab football from being successful.
It can't really even be intelligently debated
It can't really even be intelligently debated
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:00 am to ArabianKnight
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Where was all this outrage when the CFL team got the axe in bham? Or the XFL team, or the WFL team, or the USFL team, or the AFL team?
There was huge outrage about the Stallions, Birmingham even tried to keep funding it.
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The city of Birmingham even bailed the team out of financial trouble with a $1 million loan during the 1985 season when owner Marvin Warner, a former U.S. ambassador, went through some legal problem
But hey don't let facts get in the way.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:01 am to bobsacamano
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I would be surprised if tuition went down after this. Colleges, like bureaucrats, are loathe to reduce their budgets. Rather, there will not be as much of a need to increase tuition in the future or to beg more money from the state in increased support to pay for the program.
It is well known that they asked for money to build a better stadium and facilities to attract better recruits. The issue is that UAB lost football games, and people didn't show up. They lost football games because they couldn't recruit, because they lacked the resources. There was a long period of time where this money was in limbo. Alabama Board Trustees didn't want to do it. Then they have a slightly better season that gives them a glimmer of hope, with more attendance from fans. They then assume they will receive funds to build better facilities, and boom, the program is toast.
Bryant Jr.'s entire argument was that they didn't win enough games to attract recruits. And that they didn't have good enough facilities. So they bought a bunch of tickets, gave them away, more people showed up, they won 5 games (an improvement) and then the Board said nevermind.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:02 am to higgs_boson
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College is not a business. By your logic only 25 schools should have college football.
Some schools have football programs that do not pay for themselves, but those programs are productive in drawing students to campus so they indirectly pay for themselves. UAB does not draw students simply due to its football team. Never has. Alabama, Auburn, UGA, LSU and dozens of others do. Even if those schools operate briefly at a deficit they do not stay there long.
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gain, there can be rational arguments for killing a program. The way this was done was not correct.
Put it to the boosters and community --- "if X amount of dollars cannot be raised, we will have no choice but to cancel X".
Agree with both of these points. It wasn't handled well at all. Certainly not how I would have handled it myself if given the choice. That said, you have to admit that a lot of this outrage is over the opportunity to bitch about Bama and not solely about football at UAB (no one is crying for the other sports that were cut at the same time).
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:02 am to blzr
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They were fifth in the conference in attendance this year...
We're talking about a city of about 1.1 million people all told that can't get more than 22,000 people to a game. Meanwhile, South Carolina State, a school in county with only 90,000 people, somehow manages to get 16,000 people to a game each week.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:03 am to higgs_boson
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But hey don't let facts get in the way.
Sounds like you're trying to get Birmingham/the state of Alabama to make this exact mistake over again.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:03 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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You tell me. I'm simply pointing out the well documented history of the UAT BOT working hard to prevent Uab football from being successful.
It can't really even be intelligently debated
So who started the football program? Who allowed UAB to have a football program for the years they had one? If the BOT had the power to shut it down (and they did) why didn't they just do it 10 years ago? Why would they let a program continue to drain valuable resources when they could just shut it down anytime?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:05 am to higgs_boson
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Jimmy Filler, a huge booster approached the President with pledges for a indoor practice facility. It was when the President evaded accepting the money and commenting on football, that he began to suspect something was afoot. Shortly after that, the letter outing the plan was sent to the news and UAB.
From your article:
"Watts wanted Filler to help raise money for a $40 million heart rehabilitation center that would include coaches' offices, Filler said."
Yeah, we should probably take $5m away from a heart hospital to put it towards an indoor practice facility for a football program nobody cared about.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:05 am to bamasgot13
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That said, you have to admit that a lot of this outrage is over the opportunity to bitch about Bama and not solely about football at UAB
For some perhaps, but not me. Cheers to a rational discussion.
Some people just like to poke the bear (or cub in this case) but there are real issues about the way this was handled that are not to be dismissed just because some want to flame Alabama.
I have said this repeatedly UA fans and UAB fans are not mutually exclusive. Many in my family attended UAB and support UA as well.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:07 am to Patton
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What was their motivation?
Well the BOT didn't want UAB to have better facilities and a stadium. It's not like those things would attract more recruits and more fans or anything.
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