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re: SEC East: The 2nd Best Division in College Football?

Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:26 pm to
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:26 pm to
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They won it like 30-0.


he left off the zero. "they only won by 30"


Btw, bruh..you've been sticking up for UGA hardcore this week. I like it
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:29 pm to
ok, i'll concede I was wrong then. BUT, if the teams had played all 25 years, I think you would see close to a split in games. obviously upsets happen in some years but that evens out over time.

I think overall, Clemson has more buzz now. uga isn't what it was 10 plus years ago, and Clemson has more exposure now. that's how we stole Watson from you, etc.
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:32 pm to
we had no hosses up front on either side of the ball that year.

yeah Clemson is the underdog. but every now and then, Clemson rises up and beats a non-SC SEC team. beat 5 of them in last decade.

regardless, uga and Clemson don't play enough for me to care too much about their so called dominance over us, although 4 of their recent wins was decided by 4 or less points which seems to indicate pretty even programs.
This post was edited on 7/25/15 at 2:34 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:33 pm to
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misleading to talk about 25 years, if they only played 8 years of the 25. uga got lucky and played Clemson in many of their bad seasons especially early 90s.


It's not misleading one bit, but your bs excuses sure are. Compare Record during the 90's games:

-Uga went 25-22-1
-Clemson went 32-14-1
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:36 pm to
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i'll concede I was wrong then


cool, because that was obvious to everyone but you from the outset.

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BUT, if the teams had played all 25 years, I think you would see close to a split in games


and if saban was our coach and we got every 5* recruit in the nation for 15 years in a row we'd have 5 national titles. Hypotheticals not based in reality are fun!!

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Clemson has more buzz now.


please tell me how you quantify buzz. Is that like ESPN's failed "who's now" segment?

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Clemson has more exposure now.


prove that

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that's how we stole Watson from you, etc.


"stole" You know it's not possible to get every recruit in state right? Gainesville kids haven't ever had much interest in UGA, and the QB we took in that class was a 4* from.......South Carolina.


You're really getting embarrassed here. Might want to log off and call it a day.
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:37 pm to
lol well ACC was much easier back then prior to Miami, va tech, and BC and lousville. and sec was a lot more difficult back then.

and UNC and NC State and UVA have improved a lot since the early 90s.

anyway I conceded I was wrong, I always thought 90s for Clem was a bad decade start to finish, maybe that was just 96 to 99
This post was edited on 7/25/15 at 2:41 pm
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:38 pm to
lol Gainesville is like athen's backyard.

pretty sure DW is better than your 4 from SC. i'll take that deal any day.

I have taken it on the chin today, I will admit. lol
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:39 pm to
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we had no hosses up front on either side of the ball that year.



AND!?!?!?!?!?! All I hear is an excuse for losing. I can make an excuse for every loss we've ever had. Doesn't mean shite.

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every now and then, Clemson rises up and beats a non-SC SEC team


True, because clemson is a good program that every so often will be really good, sometimes great. Nobody is saying clemson is a 3-9 type program. Is it that surprising you'll beat an SEC sometimes?

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uga and Clemson don't play enough for me to care too much about their so called dominance over us


Of course you don't, because you're 18-42 against UGA all time. I'm sure if the records were reversed you'd tout it nonstop.

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although 4 of their recent wins was decided by 4 or less


THE ONLY WIN YOU HAVE AGAINST US IN 25 YEARS WAS BY 3 POINTS!!

Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86470 posts
Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:41 pm to
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pretty sure DW is better than your 4 from SC. i'll take that deal any day.



Yeah, hindsight's a great thing huh?

You want to talk about pulling 1 (one) recruit from us, you realize in the last 10 years that UGA has pulled the SC Mr. Football out of your backyard 3 times? And that doesn't even include AJ Green
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
2143 posts
Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:48 pm to
correction: only win that we've had against uga in 8 tries is by 3 points. saying 25 years when we didn't play all 25 is deceptive.

the point is the many of the games were competitive.

in the 1910's, Clemson won every game against UGA, 7 or 8 of them. but it was the 1910s, that is why talking overall record is silly. who cares about football back when it was basically an intramural sport still, with different rules than today.

Clemson has more buzz because of popular players like CJ Spiller, Boyd, Sammy Watkins, Nuk Hopkins, Watson, high scoring offenses, ESPN showing the bus ride and run down the hill for first time so high schoolers see the Clemson experience in real time, only one of 4 programs to have 10 plus wins 4 seasons in a row, 3 straight wins over historically good programs LSU, OSU and Okla in bowl games, and a coach who promotes the program like none other that we have had.

reality is, Clemson and UGA are kind of mirror images of each now, good programs that usually have 1 or 2 flawed units that prevent them from winning conference titles or national titles.
This post was edited on 7/25/15 at 2:53 pm
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:48 pm to
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The only tough team there is Georgia and they are only tough if Richt doesn't crap his pants like he does on random Saturdays in the fall.


You went 8-5 last year. You are not one of the 'tough teams' in the West.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32867 posts
Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:51 pm to
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lol well ACC was much easier back then prior to Miami, va tech, and BC and lousville. and sec was a lot more difficult back then.

and UNC and NC State and UVA have improved a lot since the early 90s.

anyway I conceded I was wrong, I always thought 90s for Clem was a bad decade start to finish, maybe that was just 96 to 99


The acc has been much weaker than the sec over the past 25 years. Good chance the Uga clemson series would be 17-8 or so had met 25 times.
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
2143 posts
Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:56 pm to
nah in 00's, ACC was better across the board. Philip rivers at nc state, matt ryan at bc, matt schaub at uva, VA tech winning 4 out of 7 acc titles, Maryland had 3 or 4 ranked seasons, wake had their best 3 seasons in a long time, unc had some good teams, G Tech won the conference once and always put up yards on offense, and Clemson and Miamia were solid.

lot of people just look at the team who won the national title, and say that team's conference is the best, especially if it is SEC. but those florida teams steamrolled SEC competition, and AL has too.
This post was edited on 7/25/15 at 2:59 pm
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:58 pm to
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Clemson has more buzz


Once again, you can't quantify "buzz". There is no graph or chart to prove who has more or less "buzz". You sound like an idiot.

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popular players like CJ Spiller, Boyd, Sammy Watkins, Nuk Hopkins


Hmmm..what about Justin Houston who just signed the richest linebacker contract in the history of the NFL? Or AJ Green who is a better receiver than anyoen else you listed? Matt STafford who set a franchise record as a starting QB for his team? And that doesn't even mention players like Thomas Davis, Geno Atkins, Brandon Boykin, Blair Walsh, etc who are all excelling at the next level.

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Watson


A freshman who played half the year? Yeah, he's generating buzz. Almost 1/10 as much as nick chubb I'd guess.

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reality is, Clemson and UGA are kind of mirror images of each now, good programs that usually have 1 or 2 flawed units that prevent them from winning conference titles or national titles.


that is likely the most rational thing you've said all day, and it has merit. With that said...UGA is still a better program than clemson and there really is no feasible, possible way to debate otherwise.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86470 posts
Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:59 pm to
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nah in 00's, ACC was better across the board. Philip rivers at nc state, matt ryan at bc, matt schaub at uva, VA tech winning 4 out of 7 acc titles, Maryland had 3 or 4 ranked seasons, wake had their best 3 seasons in a long time, unc had some good teams, G Tech won the conference once and always put up yards on offense, and Clemson and Miamia were solid.



I'm afraid I've misunderstood, please clarify. For a minute I thought you said that from 2000-2009 that the ACC was a better conference than the SEC. Is that what you meant?

Because if so, you might as well just make your sig text say "HEY EVERYONE I AM A TROLL" so nobody will take you seriously again.
Posted by redandblackattack
Spring Hill florida
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 3:01 pm to
Dear God...Kill it with fire!
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
2143 posts
Posted on 7/25/15 at 3:01 pm to
lol Watson is talked about for Heisman. never heard chubbs in that conversation.

never heard of any of those players other than Green and he's not better than Watkins or Nuk in my opinion.

Clemson was much better defensively last year than UGA. first in fact, and Watson was much better qb, and we had better WRs. i'll give uga RB. lol but our RBs stable is deep now and best we've had in forever.
Posted by lefty08
Not in Auburn or Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
5591 posts
Posted on 7/25/15 at 3:02 pm to
its not impressive being #1 in defense with the steaming garbage the ACC calls offense
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
2143 posts
Posted on 7/25/15 at 3:02 pm to
that's right, and I backed it up. some very good ACC teams in 00s.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32867 posts
Posted on 7/25/15 at 3:03 pm to
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by Jamie Lannister
nah in 00's, ACC was better across the board. Philip rivers at nc state, matt ryan at bc, matt schaub at uva, VA tech winning 4 out of 7 acc titles, Maryland had 3 or 4 ranked seasons, wake had their best 3 seasons in a long time, unc had some good teams, G Tech won the conference once and always put up yards on offense, and Clemson and Miamia were solid.

lot of people just look at the team who won the national title, and say that team's conference is the best, especially if it is SEC. but those florida teams steamrolled SEC competition, and AL has too.




Better than the sec? Not even close. Better than 90s acc? maybe
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