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Posted on 1/12/13 at 7:04 pm to deeprig9
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Think about that for a while
You still didn't answer the question. You just used a 'what-if' to help prove some stupid point you have. Why just use two years? Let's go by which team had their last losing season. USC- 2003
Georgia- 2010
Posted on 1/12/13 at 7:39 pm to deeprig9
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nd the fact UGA doesn't play as many cupcakes.
Let's break down that UGA juggernaut CMR's been buiding in Athens.
When you've got Vandy, Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, and Georgia Tech as permanent games, all you have to do is schedule two Wyoming/LA Tech types, throw in Savannah/Valdosta State for homecoming, and you're already up to eight wins. Add the Clemson game, which he'll win 2/3, usually, and he's at nine. He's also got a 2/7 chance of drawing one of the Mississippi schools as another SECW opponent. All that makes a 10-win-season pretty easy to accomplish, even for a mediocre Georgia coach.
Plus, if ten is his average, that means that half the time he wins fewer than 10 games - and that's with opponents like Vandy, Kentucky, Tennessee, Clemson, Auburn, Georgia Tech, the Wyoming/LA Techs, and Savannah/Valdosta State.
As for UGA not playing cupcakes...
2001: Arkansas State; Houston; Ole Miss (Boston College in bowl game [L])
2002: Northwestern State; New Mexico State; Ole Miss (got Arkansas in the SECCG b/c Bama, who actually won the SECW was ineligible)
2003: MTSU; UAB (Perdue in Bowl Game)
2004: Georgia Southern; Marshall
2005: Boise State; ULM, Miss State (Lost to WVU, Big East, in bowl game)
2006: Western Kentucky; UAB; Colorado; Ole Miss; Mississippi State (he went 9-4 overall; 4-4 SEC with those opponents!)
2007: Oklahoma St; Western Carolina; Ole Miss; Troy (played Hawaii in bowl game)
2008: Georgia Southern; Central Michigan; Arizona State
2009: Oklahoma St; Arizona State; Tennessee Tech (and went 8-5 overall, 4-4 sec)
2010: ULL; Mississippi State; Colorado; Idaho State; Lost to UCF in bowl game (6-7 overall; 3-5 SEC)
2011: Boise State (L); Coastal Carolina; Ole Miss; Mississippi State; New Mexico State; lost to Michigan State in bowl game.
No. Absolutely 0 cupcakes there!
Posted on 1/12/13 at 7:57 pm to Grievous Angel
quote:Vacated wins do not turn into losses. They are just wiped out of the books. Instead of Bama being 7-6 in 2007, they are 2-6.
I think that was at least five or six "W"s turned into "L"
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:17 pm to deeprig9
I'll go ahead and post Sumlin's ahead of '13 -- .926
2012 -- 11-2
2013 -- 14-0
2012 -- 11-2
2013 -- 14-0
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:19 pm to deeprig9
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Miles- .801
Tiger Rant <<<---- "Miles sux"
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:51 pm to deeprig9
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We can see that Saban and Miles are topping out Richt due to two really bad seasons in Richt's 11 year career at UGA, and the fact UGA doesn't play as many cupcakes.
Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Penn State x2, and Michigan are cupcakes? And only one of those was at BDS.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:53 pm to BamaDude06
I'm too lazy to list who LSU has played over that time, but it's definitely stronger than what Georgia has played.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 9:01 pm to jatebe
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Vacated wins do not turn into losses. They are just wiped out of the books. Instead of Bama being 7-6 in 2007, they are 2-6.
Thanks for the correction. They still hurt the percentage, though. Just not as bad.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 3:05 am to deeprig9
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Another 9 win season for Franklin next year with an additional win in a bowl, he'll be at .641, tied with Spurrier's record at South Carolina.
Think about that for a while.
You should brush up on your math skills...
If Franklin repeats the "feats" of this year and wins 9 (including the bowl... he only won eight in the regular season...) then his percentage would jump to .615 which is still below Spurrier's. But that doesn't take into consideration Spurrier's rising as well when he repeats his 11 wins (much more likely with our schedule than Franklin doing the same when you consider they replace Auburn with A&M from the West and lose their offensive weapons). If your just going off their first two years then Spurrier's record of 15-10 (.600 winning percentage) was still better.
Also, look who Franklin has beaten. Only the Ole Miss and (maybe...) the NC State wins could be said to be noteworthy this year and last year there wasn't a good win to be had. In his first two years at Carolina Spurrier beat three ranked teams (Tennessee, Florida and Clemson) and the only unranked team we lost to was Missouri in the Independence Bowl. In his first two at Vanderbilt, Franklin has beaten no ranked teams and lost to five unranked teams.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 4:37 am to deeprig9
I really think that this is the best thread ever...
Posted on 1/13/13 at 5:31 am to ConwayGamecock
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I really think that this is the best thread ever...
Perhaps, but not in the way the OP intended, for sure.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:12 am to deeprig9
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We can see that Spurrier has done less with South Carolina in 8 seasons than Franklin has done at Vanderbilt in two. And less than what Muschamp has done at Florida in two years.
I would honestly hope your math teachers taught you well enough to know that the coaches who have been coaching for many years have a harder time raising their win percentage as the years add up. Of course a guy who has coached 2 years has a win % that looks high compared to a coach who has coached 10+ seasons.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:46 am to deeprig9
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Think about that for a while.
Georgia is 41-7 vs Vanderbilt and Kentucky since Dooley retired.
Georgia is 79-69-1 vs the rest of the SEC since Dooley retired. this includes Richt's win % you boast about in this thread. Uga is 13-9 vs USC since Dooley called it quits...13-10 if you count the loss to USC in his final season.
what were you barking about cupcakes...?
This post was edited on 1/13/13 at 9:51 am
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:46 am to HarryBalzack
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Let's break down that UGA juggernaut CMR's been buiding in Athens.
When you've got Vandy, Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, and Georgia Tech as permanent games, all you have to do is schedule two Wyoming/LA Tech types, throw in Savannah/Valdosta State for homecoming, and you're already up to eight wins. Add the Clemson game, which he'll win 2/3, usually, and he's at nine. He's also got a 2/7 chance of drawing one of the Mississippi schools as another SECW opponent. All that makes a 10-win-season pretty easy to accomplish, even for a mediocre Georgia coach.
Plus, if ten is his average, that means that half the time he wins fewer than 10 games - and that's with opponents like Vandy, Kentucky, Tennessee, Clemson, Auburn, Georgia Tech, the Wyoming/LA Techs, and Savannah/Valdosta State.
As for UGA not playing cupcakes...
2001: Arkansas State; Houston; Ole Miss (Boston College in bowl game [L])
2002: Northwestern State; New Mexico State; Ole Miss (got Arkansas in the SECCG b/c Bama, who actually won the SECW was ineligible)
2003: MTSU; UAB (Perdue in Bowl Game)
2004: Georgia Southern; Marshall
2005: Boise State; ULM, Miss State (Lost to WVU, Big East, in bowl game)
2006: Western Kentucky; UAB; Colorado; Ole Miss; Mississippi State (he went 9-4 overall; 4-4 SEC with those opponents!)
2007: Oklahoma St; Western Carolina; Ole Miss; Troy (played Hawaii in bowl game)
2008: Georgia Southern; Central Michigan; Arizona State
2009: Oklahoma St; Arizona State; Tennessee Tech (and went 8-5 overall, 4-4 sec)
2010: ULL; Mississippi State; Colorado; Idaho State; Lost to UCF in bowl game (6-7 overall; 3-5 SEC)
2011: Boise State (L); Coastal Carolina; Ole Miss; Mississippi State; New Mexico State; lost to Michigan State in bowl game.
No. Absolutely 0 cupcakes there!
This is absolutely worthless without a side by side comparison of Bama and LSU's schedule during the same time period. Thanks for typing it all out though, you are a wonderful person.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:48 am to Loathor
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You should brush up on your math skills...
If Franklin repeats the "feats" of this year and wins 9 (including the bowl... he only won eight in the regular season...) then his percentage would jump to .615 which is still below Spurrier's. But that doesn't take into consideration Spurrier's rising as well when he repeats his 11 wins (much more likely with our schedule than Franklin doing the same when you consider they replace Auburn with A&M from the West and lose their offensive weapons). If your just going off their first two years then Spurrier's record of 15-10 (.600 winning percentage) was still better.
Also, look who Franklin has beaten. Only the Ole Miss and (maybe...) the NC State wins could be said to be noteworthy this year and last year there wasn't a good win to be had. In his first two years at Carolina Spurrier beat three ranked teams (Tennessee, Florida and Clemson) and the only unranked team we lost to was Missouri in the Independence Bowl. In his first two at Vanderbilt, Franklin has beaten no ranked teams and lost to five unranked teams.
You should brush up on your English skills.
I said, and you quoted- "Another 9 win season next year with an additional win in a bowl,".
Do your math now.
.641, same as Spurrier.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:48 am to HarryBalzack
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*HarryBalzack*
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:53 am to deeprig9
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deeprig9
Haha, Spurrier owns UGA.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:57 am to HarryBalzack
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2001: Arkansas State; Houston; Ole Miss (Boston College in bowl game [L])
2002: Northwestern State; New Mexico State; Ole Miss (got Arkansas in the SECCG b/c Bama, who actually won the SECW was ineligible)
2003: MTSU; UAB (Perdue in Bowl Game)
2004: Georgia Southern; Marshall
2005: Boise State; ULM, Miss State (Lost to WVU, Big East, in bowl game)
2006: Western Kentucky; UAB; Colorado; Ole Miss; Mississippi State (he went 9-4 overall; 4-4 SEC with those opponents!)
2007: Oklahoma St; Western Carolina; Ole Miss; Troy (played Hawaii in bowl game)
2008: Georgia Southern; Central Michigan; Arizona State
2009: Oklahoma St; Arizona State; Tennessee Tech (and went 8-5 overall, 4-4 sec)
2010: ULL; Mississippi State; Colorado; Idaho State; Lost to UCF in bowl game (6-7 overall; 3-5 SEC)
2011: Boise State (L); Coastal Carolina; Ole Miss; Mississippi State; New Mexico State; lost to Michigan State in bowl game.
You are including bowl games in a cupcake list? By definition, if your team goes to a bowl, it's not a cupcake.
You've also got conference opponents on there. Do you even know what a cupcake is?
Marshall was in the top 25 when we played them. Boise State finished in the top 5.
Your list has 9 conference opponents.
Your list has 6 bowl games.
There are actually only 18 cupcakes in the last 11 years for UGA, according to your list.
Now count up the cupcakes for Bama and LSU for the past 11 years. It's alot more than 18.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 10:06 am to deeprig9
LSU:
2012 Cupcakes
North Texas
Washington
Idaho
Towson
2011 Cupcakes
NW State
West Kentucky
2010 Cupcakes
McNeese State
La Monroe
2009 Cupcakes
Washington
La Lafayette
Tulane
LA Tech
2008:
App State
Troy
North Texas
Tulane
2007
Middle Tennessee
Tulane
LA Tech
Going back to 2007, LSU has 19 bona-fide unranked non-divisional cupcakes, more than UGA has going back to 2001.
Shall I do Bama's?
2012 Cupcakes
North Texas
Washington
Idaho
Towson
2011 Cupcakes
NW State
West Kentucky
2010 Cupcakes
McNeese State
La Monroe
2009 Cupcakes
Washington
La Lafayette
Tulane
LA Tech
2008:
App State
Troy
North Texas
Tulane
2007
Middle Tennessee
Tulane
LA Tech
Going back to 2007, LSU has 19 bona-fide unranked non-divisional cupcakes, more than UGA has going back to 2001.
Shall I do Bama's?
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