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Saban's Bama QBs....and how LSU is just a QB away
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:25 am
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:25 am
LSU loves to compare itself to Bama in the Saban era.
If you ask an LSU fan the one position that has not been recruited well enough or held them back from matching Bama over the last 10 years, they'll likely tell you QB.
To that I say this. Les Miles doesn't win divisional, SEC, or national titles with John Parker Wilson, Greg McElroy, AJ McCarron, Blake Sims, and Jake Coker as quarterback.
On the contrary, I know Saban could win a championship with Brandon Harris, Zach Mettenberger, Jordan Jefferson, Anthony Jennings, and/or Jarrett Lee.
I do get the comparisons between these teams over this time span. Both have produced Elite Wrs, Elite RBs, Elite Defenses, and Average Quarterbacks.
I'm just confused why LSU puts so much stock and pressure into the QB position while Bama fans and coaches seem to care less about it; it's plug and play for them.
The LSU quarterbacks have to feel that pressure from the fanbase and coaches and it has shown in their play.
Let's look at Rivals recruiting rankings
John Parker Wilson 3 star
Greg McElroy 3star
AJ McCarron 4 star, #7 Pro style passer
Blake Sims, 4star, #33 Athlete
Jake Coker, 3 star, #18 Pro Style Passer
Matt Flynn, 4 star #16 pro style Passer (Saban recruit)
Jarrett Lee, 4 star # 7 Pro Style Passer
Jordan Jefferson, 4 star #8 Pro Style QB (lol pro style)
Zach Mettenverger 4 star, #11 Pro Style Passer
Anthony Jennings, 4 star, #6 DT QB (JT Barrett #7)
Brandon Harris, 4 star, #5 DT QB (Deshaun Watson #1, Will Grier #2, Jerrod Heard #4)
Saban could win NCs with any of the SIX 4-star QBs LSU has had. I think Saban could have won with my gators own Jeff Driskel fwiw. I do understand the frustration with QB play at LSU, but I don't think it's due to lack of talent or recruiting.
Saban just trust his QBs and they trust the process. No way Brandon Harris or Anthony Jennings can't get a Bama team to the CFP, especially if Blake Sims did.
LSU is missing something to get to that Bama level. I may be in the minority, but I don't think that missing piece is QB.
If you ask an LSU fan the one position that has not been recruited well enough or held them back from matching Bama over the last 10 years, they'll likely tell you QB.
To that I say this. Les Miles doesn't win divisional, SEC, or national titles with John Parker Wilson, Greg McElroy, AJ McCarron, Blake Sims, and Jake Coker as quarterback.
On the contrary, I know Saban could win a championship with Brandon Harris, Zach Mettenberger, Jordan Jefferson, Anthony Jennings, and/or Jarrett Lee.
I do get the comparisons between these teams over this time span. Both have produced Elite Wrs, Elite RBs, Elite Defenses, and Average Quarterbacks.
I'm just confused why LSU puts so much stock and pressure into the QB position while Bama fans and coaches seem to care less about it; it's plug and play for them.
The LSU quarterbacks have to feel that pressure from the fanbase and coaches and it has shown in their play.
Let's look at Rivals recruiting rankings
John Parker Wilson 3 star
Greg McElroy 3star
AJ McCarron 4 star, #7 Pro style passer
Blake Sims, 4star, #33 Athlete
Jake Coker, 3 star, #18 Pro Style Passer
Matt Flynn, 4 star #16 pro style Passer (Saban recruit)
Jarrett Lee, 4 star # 7 Pro Style Passer
Jordan Jefferson, 4 star #8 Pro Style QB (lol pro style)
Zach Mettenverger 4 star, #11 Pro Style Passer
Anthony Jennings, 4 star, #6 DT QB (JT Barrett #7)
Brandon Harris, 4 star, #5 DT QB (Deshaun Watson #1, Will Grier #2, Jerrod Heard #4)
Saban could win NCs with any of the SIX 4-star QBs LSU has had. I think Saban could have won with my gators own Jeff Driskel fwiw. I do understand the frustration with QB play at LSU, but I don't think it's due to lack of talent or recruiting.
Saban just trust his QBs and they trust the process. No way Brandon Harris or Anthony Jennings can't get a Bama team to the CFP, especially if Blake Sims did.
LSU is missing something to get to that Bama level. I may be in the minority, but I don't think that missing piece is QB.
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Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:28 am to gatorguru
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Saban could win NCs with any of the SIX 4-star QBs LSU has had. I think Saban could have won with my gators own Jeff Driskel fwiw. I do understand the frustration with QB play at LSU, but I don't think it's due to lack of talent or recruiting
That's because you're stupid. Saban wouldn't have done any better with Jefferson, Lee or Jennings than Miles did.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:28 am to gatorguru
Maybe LSU coaches don't evaluate talent very well. Just because a player is 4/5* doesn't mean he fits your strategy, or can mentally play against the best talent.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:29 am to gatorguru
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LSU is missing something
I'll help you out. The "something" is quality leadership.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:33 am to RB10
Not going to argue with you on Jennings or Jefferson, but Les horribly mismanaged Lee. The situations he would put or leave that kid in crushed his confidence. I think Saban could have gotten more out of Lee than Miles did.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:34 am to Haughtonboy
Sometimes it's in the offensive scheme and plays.
Maybe Crowton did better in the passing game because he had Russell and Flynn.
Cam Cameron could do just as well with a predominantly passing offense. And it's not like we have been lacking in 4 and 5 star receivers, who we sign seemingly every year.
IMO, here's the difference between Bama's offense and LSU's offense:
THE OFFENSIVE LINE.
LSU has had adequate O-line play in Miles' decade in Baton Rouge, sometimes very good to great. But we need DOMINATIION.
A great O-line = great offensive production.
Maybe Crowton did better in the passing game because he had Russell and Flynn.
Cam Cameron could do just as well with a predominantly passing offense. And it's not like we have been lacking in 4 and 5 star receivers, who we sign seemingly every year.
IMO, here's the difference between Bama's offense and LSU's offense:
THE OFFENSIVE LINE.
LSU has had adequate O-line play in Miles' decade in Baton Rouge, sometimes very good to great. But we need DOMINATIION.
A great O-line = great offensive production.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:37 am to gatorguru
All of those Alabama QB's were 3rd or 4th year guys before they became starters.
The only LSU QB you listed that fits that description is Flynn.
The only LSU QB you listed that fits that description is Flynn.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:44 am to gatorguru
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On the contrary, I know Saban could win a championship with Brandon Harris, Zach Mettenberger, Jordan Jefferson, Anthony Jennings, and/or Jarrett Lee.
Let's not try to reach here.
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I'm just confused why LSU puts so much stock and pressure into the QB position while Bama fans and coaches seem to care less about it; it's plug and play for them.
Nothing about this makes sense.
While issue for the most part for the most part for LSU has been development of QBs, their offensive system nearly guarantees a steep learning curve, and gaps in QB recruiting guaranteed at least 1 season of breaking in a young QB.
As for Bama, while running some pistol based offense has not given that same learning curve, they have had a revolving door of veteran QBs, especially since McCarron. They have recruited at least one QB every year since 2010 at least, and did not guarantee themselves that year where they had to break in a new QB. Having McCarron being a 3 year starter helped there, especially when some of those QBs that they recruited out of HS didn't appear to work out.
This post was edited on 1/12/16 at 9:48 am
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:45 am to gatorguru
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LSU is missing something to get to that Bama level. I may be in the minority, but I don't think that missing piece is QB.
It is QB, but it's coaching that is missing. QBs aren't developed here. I hope Harris proves me wrong in the next year or two, but the post Jamarcus/Flynn era is pretty bad in terms of QB development.
O-line play has been notoriously inconsistent the last few years too, which is hilarious since Les played and coached o-line for years.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:47 am to gatorguru
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Saban could win NCs with any of the SIX 4-star QBs LSU has had...No way Brandon Harris or Anthony Jennings can't get a Bama team to the CFP
Well, LSU DID get to the championship game with 3 of the 6 you listed, two of the other three still have a chance as they will only be a senior and junior next season.
So Zach Mettenberger, a two-year transfer, could be the only one on that list not to make it to a championship game for LSU.
Now, why can't the gators win anything?
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:48 am to gatorguru
Didn't read but QB development is the issue
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:49 am to AUCE05
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Maybe LSU coaches don't evaluate talent very well. Just because a player is 4/5* doesn't mean he fits your strategy, or can mentally play against the best talent.
This. Miles either needs to be better at signing QBs that actually fit what he wants to do or tailor his offense to suit the Qbs he signs. He does neither
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:49 am to gatorguru
I'll take heat for saying it, but I honestly think Bama is a heartbeat away from having the same QB issue/reputation that LSU has. Haven't truly developed a QB in some time, just happened to bring in Kiffin at just the right time. We've had several transfers who have gone on to play very well. Have the 2015 #1 pocket passer on campus in Barnett who had a great spring and was highly touted...and now it looks like we are looking for other options.
Can't believe I'm even worrying about this right now.
Can't believe I'm even worrying about this right now.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:51 am to gatorguru
It has nothing to do with the quarterback. It has everything to do with play calling and coaching.
Les is the most overrated coach of this generation. Been saying it for years.
Les is the most overrated coach of this generation. Been saying it for years.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:54 am to NFLU
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Les is the most overrated coach of this generation
Les almost got fired this year. I wouldn't exactly say a coach with the record he has that and on that is constantly shite on by the media and fans is "overrated."
This post was edited on 1/12/16 at 9:56 am
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:55 am to gatorguru
AJ doesn't belong on the list. He was one of the best qb's in the country
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:57 am to genro
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AJ doesn't belong on the list. He was one of the best qb's in the country
yeah wasn't he an Army All-American?
Also don't know why John Parker Wilson is on the list.
This post was edited on 1/12/16 at 9:58 am
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:57 am to NFLU
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Les is the most overrated coach of this generation.
I wouldn't say this honestly. It's not like the national media has been considering him a Top 10 coach all that often.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:58 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Bama QBs....and how LSU is just a QB away
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quote:Saban could win NCs with any of the SIX 4-star QBs LSU has had...No way Brandon Harris or Anthony Jennings can't get a Bama team to the CFP
Well, LSU DID get to the championship game with 3 of the 6 you listed, two of the other three still have a chance as they will only be a senior and junior next season. So Zach Mettenberger, a two-year transfer, could be the only one on that list not to make it to a championship game for LSU. Now, why can't the gators win anything?
Excellent point. Very well said!
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:59 am to gatorguru
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On the contrary, I know Saban could win a championship with Brandon Harris, Zach Mettenberger, Jordan Jefferson, Anthony Jennings, and/or Jarrett Lee.
And Miles would have won one with Jefferson/Lee had Bama not gotten a mulligan in the 2012 BCS Championship game.
Jarrett Lee's pick 6 season as a redshirt freshman broke Les Miles. He no longer trusts his QBs. Once they make a mistake in a game, the offense goes into a shell.
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