re: Rumors that FSU and Clemson joining SEC. Announcing on 10/10.

What we need is regional conferences for the non-rev sports and then let college football just follow the relegation path that euro football has where we have the top 64 teams and if you start to suck you get relegated and one of the better teams gets promoted.

FSU and Clemson's average opponent in the SEC would be vastly more compelling than in the ACC. It is a long running joke that the conference is basically a low intensity dress rehearsal whenever one or both of them are good.

Just drop one of the Mississippi schools and either South Carolina or Mizzou and we will be fine.

Bringing in UNC and UVA or VT would provide a ton of value across the conference compared to what some schools offer now. ACC is about to turn into the east coast version of the Sunbelt.

Markets is still viewership.

But also people are getting it wrong. "Florida" and "South Carolina" aren't TV markets. Clemson isn't in any SEC TV markets and neither is Tallahassee.

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I were Sankey, I'd only consider Virginia/Virginia Tech as a move to keep the Big Ten out...population-wise getting into Virginia makes sense but how many of those eyeballs pay attention to UVA or VT?

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No one watches UVA, but VT draws plenty of eyeballs.

I say screw FSU. We gave them the chance to join along with Miami many years ago and they said NO. Why give them a 2nd chance, who needs em?

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Where are you hearing this?

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personal source.

But this isn't my source saying it *will* happen and me putting the word "rumors" in the title. My source is the one saying "rumors".

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[quote]The settlement left the athletics directors at some of the continuing Big 12 schools “kind of dumbfounded,” Kansas State athletics director Gene Taylor said. “We fought back as hard as we could,” but he said the conference’s lawyers advised them, Yormark and the schools’ presidents and chancellors that the bylaws were “not as rock-solid as everybody thought and we could be tied up on lawsuits forever.”[quote]

Link: USA Today

It is believed that Texas and Oklahoma finally found a way out of the GOR.. and the ACC supposedly used the same GOR as the Big 12.

If that is true.. it would be pretty easy to give this info to Clemson and FSU.

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You are confusing two different things: the exit fee in the bylaws (2 years of withheld revenues) and the grant of rights. The lawyers were talking about the liquidated damages clause of the bylaws, and whether or not withholding two years revenue would stand up in court as a reasonable estimate of the Big XII's damages from OU and Texas leaving. There was a faction that just wanted to move on, and was willing to use the lawyer hedging on this (and ESPN's willingness to kick in a little money) as a justification to cut OU and Texas loose a year early. OU and Texas didn't find a way to invalidate the grant of rights: the situation on the ground just became such that the Big XII decided they would be better off letting them go in order to make room for the new additions.

The big 12 was told by lawyers thier iron clad deal wasn’t so iron clad and they may need to show good faith in rivisng exit fees. ACC now probably feels like the have some issues like that as well but the year difference was 1-2 years in big 12 compared to 9-10 in acc I don’t know how they get out unscathed.