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re: Rick Barnes says SEC teams should be fined if they don't play 3 top 50 games OOC
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:38 pm to volfan30
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:38 pm to volfan30
Good for Barnes ... I guess he's the VP of the league now, and Cal is the President?
I really respect Rick Barnes as a coach, I do. I have since he coached at Clemson. But he just reminded me how he sometimes runs his mouth just a little too much.
And just wait 'till his wife gets to going. I despise Clemson as much as the next Gamecock fan but her parting shots at Clemson were out of line.
Everything Barnes said is basically true ... but he needs to be careful speaking for the other coaches or the league.
BTW, I could not agree more. The tourney has needed to be moved to Tuesday-Saturday for awhile now. ESPN still has to fill the SEC inventory with basketball games though ... so he's still thinking like a whorne when it comes to TV pecking order. And finally, he doesn't have to tell, or threaten, the other coaches with penalties to schedule ... they got to where they got knowing a little bit about how to schedule.
I'll say it again. SCAR's schedule did not cost them the tourney this year ... their bad losses cost them. Particularly the last one to Georgia. Beat UGA and we're not having this conversation. Beat Mizzou, beat MSU, beat UGA just once ... and all of this is a mute point. It had nothing to do with the OOC teams being down this year, on SCAR's schedule.
I really respect Rick Barnes as a coach, I do. I have since he coached at Clemson. But he just reminded me how he sometimes runs his mouth just a little too much.
And just wait 'till his wife gets to going. I despise Clemson as much as the next Gamecock fan but her parting shots at Clemson were out of line.
Everything Barnes said is basically true ... but he needs to be careful speaking for the other coaches or the league.
BTW, I could not agree more. The tourney has needed to be moved to Tuesday-Saturday for awhile now. ESPN still has to fill the SEC inventory with basketball games though ... so he's still thinking like a whorne when it comes to TV pecking order. And finally, he doesn't have to tell, or threaten, the other coaches with penalties to schedule ... they got to where they got knowing a little bit about how to schedule.
I'll say it again. SCAR's schedule did not cost them the tourney this year ... their bad losses cost them. Particularly the last one to Georgia. Beat UGA and we're not having this conversation. Beat Mizzou, beat MSU, beat UGA just once ... and all of this is a mute point. It had nothing to do with the OOC teams being down this year, on SCAR's schedule.
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
In fairness to LSU only playing Oklahoma, it's not LSU's fault that NC State and Marquette at neutral site and Wake Forest at home were all so bad. NC State was in tourney last year. Marquette has been a top 50 team up until this year. Wake Forest has had decent teams too. It's hard to predict some of these power teams.
LSU played Texas Tech the last two years, it just so happens they finish top 50 this year.
LSU played Texas Tech the last two years, it just so happens they finish top 50 this year.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Let's be honest, there are a handful of schools that always play terrible OOC schedules : Mississippi State, South Carolina and Ole Miss.
Auburn used to be in that group but Pearl has overhauled their schedule.
Auburn used to be in that group but Pearl has overhauled their schedule.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:39 pm to nicholastiger
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it's not LSU's fault that NC State and Marquette at neutral site and Wake Forest at home were all so bad
That's my point. Sure ,we went 0-fer, but going into 2015-2016 those looked like pretty good teams.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:41 pm to scrooster
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I'll say it again. SCAR's schedule did not cost them the tourney this year ... their bad losses cost them.
I mean no one single thing caused them to miss the tourney but the OOC schedule was a big factor
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:41 pm to I-59 Tiger
I've said for years, the key to the scheduling game is to make sure your non-P5 games are against good teams from small divisions.
If you play 3 games against bad SWAC teams with 275+ RPIs your SOS is going to get hammered. You have to play teams like Winthrop, MTSU, UAB, ETSU, Oakland, La Tech, etc. Teams from lesser leagues that always post 100-200 RPIs.
Gottfried used to masterful at that.
If you play 3 games against bad SWAC teams with 275+ RPIs your SOS is going to get hammered. You have to play teams like Winthrop, MTSU, UAB, ETSU, Oakland, La Tech, etc. Teams from lesser leagues that always post 100-200 RPIs.
Gottfried used to masterful at that.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:42 pm to scrooster
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her parting shots at Clemson were out of line
What did she say?
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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SEC Non-Conference SOS Nationally
4. Georgia
5. Florida
12. Kentucky
24. Alabama
25. Vanderbilt
39. Auburn
42. Texas A&M
51. Tennessee
70. Arkansas
162. Missouri
197. LSU
215. Mississippi State
271. South Carolina
297. Ole Miss
I'll say it again. SCAR's unfortunate OOC schedule, and they way their OOC opponents underperformed, was not the reason SCAR did not make the tourney.
The reason SCAR did not make the tourney is because they lost to Mizzou and MSU ... and UGA three times. If they had only won two of those all of this scheduling nonsense would have been a non-issue for the Gamecocks.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:43 pm to scrooster
Honestly - I don't think the OOC scheduling is THAT big a deal in the SEC in 2016. It was a big deal in 2010. It's not nearly as big a deal today. 2/3 of the conference has a Top 50 OOC SOS.
At this point, teams just have to start winning these games. If I went back and posted records vs the Top 50 for most of the SEC teams it would not be a pretty sight.
At this point, teams just have to start winning these games. If I went back and posted records vs the Top 50 for most of the SEC teams it would not be a pretty sight.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:43 pm to volfan30
Given that our OOC was almost certainly why we slipped into the NCAAs, it makes sense. But that means scheduling teams like that is its own reward. No need to impose penalties rather than pointing out the positives.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:52 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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What did she say?
She said their schools (in that area), were beneath her and her children ... that she wanted out of hickville.
The real problem was that they were not liked by other students ... they were spoiled rotten little fricks. And she had a reputation for being a real bitch among the elite Clemson wives. LINK LINK Barnes finally had to call our governor at the time and apologize after trying to back her up in his press conference at Texas.
I understand that she is a UT grad - so I'm sure she'll be polite in Knoxville. But at Clemson she left with a bad rep.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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You have to play teams like Winthrop, MTSU, UAB
All for that one.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:53 pm to volfan30
Im glad Tennessee made a solid hire with Barnes, but he was a whiner at Texas and he is doing the same thing in this league.
Hey Barnes...did you research anything before yapping your cockholster?
OOC schedule by teams...Its not certain teams fault that an OOC opponent doesn't finish in the top 50. Here is a list of solid OOC games...
Alabama(5): @Dayton, Xavier, Wichita St., Notre Dame, Oregon
Arkansas(6): @Dayton, Akron, Georgia Tech, Stanford, Wake Forest, Texas Tech
Auburn(3): Colorado, @Xavier, UAB
Florida(7): St. Joes, Purdue, Miami, Michigan St., Okla St., Florida St., West Va.
Georgia(3): @Seton Hall, Kansas St., Georgia Tech
Kentucky(6): Duke, @UCLA, Arizona St., Ohio St., Louisville, @Kansas
LSU(5): Marquette, NC State, Houston, Wake Forest, Oklahoma
Miss. St.(3): Miami, Texas Tech, Florida St.
Missour(5)i: @Xavier, Kansas St., Northwestern, Arizona, Illinois
Ole Miss(3): Seton Hall, Memphis, Kansas St.
South Carolina(2): Tulsa, Memphis
Texas A&M(7): Texas, Gonzaga, Syracuse, Arizona St., Baylor, Kansas St., Iowa St.
Tennessee(3): @Georgia Tech, @Butler, @Gonzaga
Vanderbilt(5): Wake Forest, Kansas, @Baylor, Dayton, @Purdue
Collectively, the league isn't scheduling bad OOC games. Sure, some are early money games and easy wins, but for the most part, most of the programs are scheduling a pretty good mixture of upper, or should be, upper echelon(top 50) type teams.
Tennessee, South Carolina, Auburn, and Georgia certainly could schedule a bit better though.
Hey Barnes...did you research anything before yapping your cockholster?
OOC schedule by teams...Its not certain teams fault that an OOC opponent doesn't finish in the top 50. Here is a list of solid OOC games...
Alabama(5): @Dayton, Xavier, Wichita St., Notre Dame, Oregon
Arkansas(6): @Dayton, Akron, Georgia Tech, Stanford, Wake Forest, Texas Tech
Auburn(3): Colorado, @Xavier, UAB
Florida(7): St. Joes, Purdue, Miami, Michigan St., Okla St., Florida St., West Va.
Georgia(3): @Seton Hall, Kansas St., Georgia Tech
Kentucky(6): Duke, @UCLA, Arizona St., Ohio St., Louisville, @Kansas
LSU(5): Marquette, NC State, Houston, Wake Forest, Oklahoma
Miss. St.(3): Miami, Texas Tech, Florida St.
Missour(5)i: @Xavier, Kansas St., Northwestern, Arizona, Illinois
Ole Miss(3): Seton Hall, Memphis, Kansas St.
South Carolina(2): Tulsa, Memphis
Texas A&M(7): Texas, Gonzaga, Syracuse, Arizona St., Baylor, Kansas St., Iowa St.
Tennessee(3): @Georgia Tech, @Butler, @Gonzaga
Vanderbilt(5): Wake Forest, Kansas, @Baylor, Dayton, @Purdue
Collectively, the league isn't scheduling bad OOC games. Sure, some are early money games and easy wins, but for the most part, most of the programs are scheduling a pretty good mixture of upper, or should be, upper echelon(top 50) type teams.
Tennessee, South Carolina, Auburn, and Georgia certainly could schedule a bit better though.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Honestly - I don't think the OOC scheduling is THAT big a deal in the SEC in 2016. It was a big deal in 2010. It's not nearly as big a deal today. 2/3 of the conference has a Top 50 OOC SOS.
At this point, teams just have to start winning these games. If I went back and posted records vs the Top 50 for most of the SEC teams it would not be a pretty sight.
Could not agree more.
Posted on 3/15/16 at 3:55 pm to randomways
2011 SEC OOC SOS
1. Kentucky
15. Florida
21. Vanderbilt
25. Tennessee
52. Georgia
66. Alabama
106. Ole Miss
145. South Carolina
184. Arkansas
191. Mississippi State
281. LSU
310. Auburn
And, those were the years when the West had to play eachother 2 times and so if you didn't enter conference play with a Top 50 RPI you were fvcked. It was a nightmare.
Barnes is late to the SEC OOC scheduling party. We already had a freak out and mandate about it years ago and it has pretty much been fixed to the extent it can be fixed.
1. Kentucky
15. Florida
21. Vanderbilt
25. Tennessee
52. Georgia
66. Alabama
106. Ole Miss
145. South Carolina
184. Arkansas
191. Mississippi State
281. LSU
310. Auburn
And, those were the years when the West had to play eachother 2 times and so if you didn't enter conference play with a Top 50 RPI you were fvcked. It was a nightmare.
Barnes is late to the SEC OOC scheduling party. We already had a freak out and mandate about it years ago and it has pretty much been fixed to the extent it can be fixed.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 3/15/16 at 4:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Honestly - I don't think the OOC scheduling is THAT big a deal in the SEC in 2016. It was a big deal in 2010. It's not nearly as big a deal today. 2/3 of the conference has a Top 50 OOC SOS.
Yeah, I think there's been a strong directive from the league itself to improve schedule strength, at least according to some commentators during games.
Also, agree that some of it comes down to actually winning more OOC games (though this year wasn't nearly as bad as past years in this regard).
I would though still say that all those teams at the bottom of the list would have had slightly stronger RPIs just with a bit better scheduling win or lose.
Since there were so many SEC bubble teams this year, that extra boost from a South Carolina or LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss W counting a bit more and/or a Miss St or Tennessee loss not being as much of a resume killer could have meant two or three more bids and no one would be saying it was a bad year at all for the conference.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 3/15/16 at 4:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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184. Arkansas
How weak was the West that season in 2010-2011?
Arkansas played OOC: @Texas, Oklahoma, @Texas A&M, UAB, and Seton Hall that season prior to conference play. (warren nolan shows Arkansas SOS as 125 in 2010-2011 though)
Posted on 3/15/16 at 4:04 pm to volfan30
UK is fricking it up for the rest of the conference. If it weren't for them no one would care about SEC basketball
Posted on 3/15/16 at 4:06 pm to Hawgeye
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How weak was the West that season in 2010-2011?
It was an utter trainwreck. Let's just say Alabama went 12-4 in the SEC and didn't get into the NCAA Tournament.
Here were Alabama's "Divisional" games that year
@ #121 MSU
@ #130 Arkansas
@ #253 Auburn
vs #224 LSU
vs #121 MSU
vs #85 Ole Miss
vs #130 Arkansas
vs #253 Auburn
@ #224 LSU
@ #85 Ole Miss
I mean, jeebus. That's a Sun Belt schedule.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 3/15/16 at 4:11 pm to Hawgeye
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@Texas, Oklahoma, @Texas A&M, UAB, and Seton Hall
The problem is Arky played 7 teams with RPIs of 250+. That kills you.
#11 Texas
#34 Texas A&M
#37 UAB
#104 Seton Hall
#132 Oklahoma
#185 Texas Southern
#232 NC A&T
#249 MVSU
#266 Troy
#271 UTA
#281 Florida Gulf Coast
#306 SEMSU
#316 Grambling
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