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Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:16 am to RebelNutt48
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eally? There were two or three yesterday
I was attempting to be facetious.
There are usually about 2 to 3 an hour.
I even started one the other day because I felt it had been too long without one.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:17 am to schlow mo
You can't count guys who never stepped foot on campus as attrition.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:18 am to schlow mo
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Good point, Nutt should worry about beating Mullen for once in his career as well.
Based on Mullen's recruiting, that shouldn't be a problem in a couple of years.
Of course, Mullen is gone next year. He is not going to wait around trying to win SEC games with SWAC players.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:19 am to GreyReb
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You can't count guys who never stepped foot on campus as attrition.
Ok not sure why you responded to me, I haven't said anything about attrition.
I think the point that SECWEST is so eloquently trying to make is that your classes are ranked high (and by high I mean 8 or 9th in the SEC), but many of them never see campus. But then again he may not be making that point, I can't understand half the shite he writes.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:21 am to GreyReb
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Of course, Mullen is gone next year. He is not going to wait around trying to win SEC games with SWAC players.
Ok Mullen leaves after another 8 to 10 win season, Nutt gets fired after a 3 to 5 win season. We both hire Coach O and the Slytanic back and start our retard fight back up.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:23 am to TheSecWEST
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All I hear is how we got dominated by Ole Miss in recruiting, but now we all know, its just not true!
Hey bruh. The facts are that our recruiting class this year was more highly rated than yours. Period. It doesn't mean we will be better than you next season. It doesn't mean we will beat you next season. It doesn't mean we will win X number of more games next season. It doesn't mean we are "on the rise". It doesn't mean our coach is better than yours. It doesn't mean ANYTHING at all OTHER than the fact that the average rankings of the athletes who signed LOI's with us is higher than that of your recruits. Period. End of story. It's a subjective and highly inaccurate business. For instance, had we recruited by stars only, we might have landed many 4 and 5 star players, but in the wrong positions. So next season, we'd have 10 WR's and 10 DB's who are all highly rated, but that's not going to help win games, do you understand? No one (no sane person anyway) thinks that recruiting "titles" in one year translate DIRECTLY into wins the following year. If you don't want OM fans talking shite about recruiting, pressure your staff to do a better job.
With those facts in hand, you got dominated in recruiting this year. Period. Will it transfer to W's on the field over the next 4 years? We'll have to wait and see.
When replying to this post, try to keep it to recruiting this season only. TIA.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:24 am to DCRebel
Saban at Bama has been successful culling less productive players from his team. And in some ways Nutt is doing the same thing--not all of OM's losses are guys that don't make it to campus.
On one hand, culling players allows a team to sign more on signing day, thereby increasing the chances of finding that "diamond in the rough".
But there is something to be said about giving players more time to develop. We all know of players that didn't seem to mentally "get it" or physically mature until their junior or senior years.
Patrick Willis, Mike Wallace, and even Eli Manning. State had a walkon that finally worked his way to a starting LB position by his senior year. If Mullen had cut him after his sophomore year, then we would have been starting a less productive player in his place. Another good example is Relf--many schools would have cut him by his sophomore year, but now he's going to be in the top half of SEC QB's.
State's low attrition seems almost unusual among SEC schools (but more common outside the SEC). It should result in better APR's and graduation rates. Mullen can sell the low attrition as a positive to recruits---much less chance of getting cut and more chance of graduating.
We will just have see if it works or not.
On one hand, culling players allows a team to sign more on signing day, thereby increasing the chances of finding that "diamond in the rough".
But there is something to be said about giving players more time to develop. We all know of players that didn't seem to mentally "get it" or physically mature until their junior or senior years.
Patrick Willis, Mike Wallace, and even Eli Manning. State had a walkon that finally worked his way to a starting LB position by his senior year. If Mullen had cut him after his sophomore year, then we would have been starting a less productive player in his place. Another good example is Relf--many schools would have cut him by his sophomore year, but now he's going to be in the top half of SEC QB's.
State's low attrition seems almost unusual among SEC schools (but more common outside the SEC). It should result in better APR's and graduation rates. Mullen can sell the low attrition as a positive to recruits---much less chance of getting cut and more chance of graduating.
We will just have see if it works or not.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:31 am to MedDawg
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Patrick Willis, Mike Wallace, and even Eli Manning.
Patrick Willis was making big plays in 2003 if I'm not mistaking. Especially that Alabama game. But yes, he did develop better, but he was already looked at as a stud on defense his freshman year. No coach in their right mind would cut him.
Eli Manning, was making big plays from the time he first stepped onto the field in the Music City Bowl in 2000. Eli had one bad year in 2002. But the kid was breaking records every year while at Ole Miss. It's not like he just all of a sudden became a star his Senior season. He was great throughout his whole career.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:32 am to GreyReb
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Of course, Mullen is gone next year.
Where is he going??? Mullen is going to be in Starkville longer than than you Rebels think.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:36 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Where is he going??? Mullen is going to be in Starkville longer than than you Rebels think.
Well what he said is no different than what State fans say concerning Nutt being gone after this season.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:36 am to MedDawg
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Saban at Bama has been successful culling less productive players from his team. And in some ways Nutt is doing the same thing--not all of OM's losses are guys that don't make it to campus.
True, and I believe this to be the case in most (if not all) of the players the OP listed.
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But there is something to be said about giving players more time to develop. We all know of players that didn't seem to mentally "get it" or physically mature until their junior or senior years.
Also agree. And it's why we hire a coach. He's the expert in identifying talent who needs coaching, and "talent" who needs to be let go.
All we can do is trust him, and then fire his arse when he proves he's not good at it.
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Patrick Willis, Mike Wallace, and even Eli Manning. State had a walkon that finally worked his way to a starting LB position by his senior year. If Mullen had cut him after his sophomore year, then we would have been starting a less productive player in his place. Another good example is Relf--many schools would have cut him by his sophomore year, but now he's going to be in the top half of SEC QB's.
P-Willie was more a victim of the Shrimper being a slack jawed idiot who didn't reward talent with playing time. He was VERY good during his whole time here, HC was a moron.
Wallace needed a QB to get him the ball. Shrimper made sure that didn't happen until his Senior season. With someone to get him the ball for 3 or 4 seasons, he might have broken every SEC receiving record out there.
Eli definitely got better as his career went on, but he had a pretty terrible Junior year if I remember right. But, some say it's because the rest of the team sucked it up. So, there's that.
Agree on Relf. He's gotten better both because of his comfort level, as well as the talent level around him. But, he'll be in the top half of SEC qb's at least partly because there aren't many really good QB's in the SEC next year.
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State's low attrition seems almost unusual among SEC schools (but more common outside the SEC). It should result in better APR's and graduation rates. Mullen can sell the low attrition as a positive to recruits---much less chance of getting cut and more chance of graduating.
I'll give you better APR's and grad rates. This is true. But, and I'm not trying to sound callous here, I want wins and I really don't care about attrition, APR (unless it's affecting scollies) and grads. Honestly, I'd rather have such a powerhouse built up that almost all of our skill guys leave for the NFL after their Junior year. If we never graduated another WR, QB, RB, CB or LB ever again because they were going straight to the league, I'd be hella-contented.
This post was edited on 2/11/11 at 11:39 am
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:41 am to reb13
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I may be in the minority, but I'll take a 7 to 9 win season, winning the Egg Bowl and making a bowl game every year if the worst thing is losing to LSU, Bama, and Auburn.
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Ah they finally admit they are happy with mediocrity
Again, getting 9 wins and a Top 15 ranking is something Ole Miss and State have each done only TWICE in 40 years. Why not be happy with it? Only after it becomes a habit will I worry about accomplishing more.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:42 am to OPR
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Eli definitely got better as his career went on, but he had a pretty terrible Junior year if I remember right. But, some say it's because the rest of the team sucked it up. So, there's that.
We didn't have a running game that year for shite. Hell it wasn't hard to step up on defense when it came to playing Ole Miss in 2002. It was a given that all they were going to do was throw the ball.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:46 am to TheSecWEST
I'm just taking a look over this list...and I can't lie to y'all....that's a lot of guys.
But what you have to pay attention to, is that the majority of that list were lower depth chart, probably wouldn't hit the field guys.
Say Jared Mitchell...he came in at a Safety spot that was already pretty stacked, then just when he's close to the top of the charts...Damien Jackson walks on campus. Hornsby would rather be in prison. Drummond left for family reasons.
Tig just couldn't cut it in college. Pat could never kick the habit and focus. I was really hurt seeing Raymond Cotton go because we wouldn't had last season's problem in the first place...and I do blame Nutt for that fiasco.
But you listed a lot of filler guys who left because they couldn't climb the depth chart. Not because there's some internal problem.
It's crazy to say we can't compete because our 3rd and 4th stringers can't make it to the field honestly.
SN: this is my first post...what up folks. I'm in grad school at Ole Miss...I'm a black southerner, I dislike State, and I'd rather not have a mascot.
But what you have to pay attention to, is that the majority of that list were lower depth chart, probably wouldn't hit the field guys.
Say Jared Mitchell...he came in at a Safety spot that was already pretty stacked, then just when he's close to the top of the charts...Damien Jackson walks on campus. Hornsby would rather be in prison. Drummond left for family reasons.
Tig just couldn't cut it in college. Pat could never kick the habit and focus. I was really hurt seeing Raymond Cotton go because we wouldn't had last season's problem in the first place...and I do blame Nutt for that fiasco.
But you listed a lot of filler guys who left because they couldn't climb the depth chart. Not because there's some internal problem.
It's crazy to say we can't compete because our 3rd and 4th stringers can't make it to the field honestly.
SN: this is my first post...what up folks. I'm in grad school at Ole Miss...I'm a black southerner, I dislike State, and I'd rather not have a mascot.
This post was edited on 2/11/11 at 11:49 am
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:49 am to ReallyAStudent
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I'm a black southerner, I dislike State, I'd rather not have a mascot.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:56 am to schlow mo
That scares you?
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:59 am to ReallyAStudent
A little bit
Posted on 2/11/11 at 12:01 pm to schlow mo
quote:Shlow Boy, What do you not understand. Ole Miss has a roster full of fill ins and thugs State finished 15th in the country and expects to be better in the future. State has lost a few players in the last few years and we are building. Ole MIss, well Andrew Sterling, 08, RB, **
think the point that SECWEST is so eloquently trying to make is that your classes are ranked high (and by high I mean 8 or 9th in the SEC), but many of them never see campus. But then again he may not be making that point, I can't understand half the shite he writes
Andrew Harris, 08,WR, ***
Lekenwic Haynes, 08,S, **
Jared Mitchell, 08, S, **
Brandon Sanders, 08, CB, **
Chris Wilkes, 08, QB, ***
Horatio Williams, 08, WR, **
Kermit Tyler, 08, OG, ***
Willie Ferrell, 09, SLB, ***
Raymond Cotton, 09, QB, ****
Jamar Hornsby, 09, S, ***
Jesse Grandy, 09, WR, **
Darius Barksdale, 09, RB, ****
Pat Patterson, 09, WR, *****
Craig Drummond, 09, DE, ****
Steven Houston, 09, RB, ***
Eric Smiley, 09, DT, ***
Ryan Campbell, 09, CB, ***
Rodney Scott, 09, RB, ***
Artice Kellum, 09, S, ***
Martez Philips, 09, WR, ***
Dele Junaid, 09, S, **
Gabriel Hunter, 09, RB, ***
Mike Thomas, 09, DE, ***
DeMarcus Knight, 09, MLB, ***
Cordell Giles, 10, OLB, ***
Cedric Smith, 10, CB, **
Martez Eastland, 10, FB, ***
Tony Grimes, 10, CB, ***
Quadarias Mireles, 10, WR, ***
Terrance Hackney, 10, OT, ***
Eric Mitchell, 10, CB, ***
Mike Thomas, 10, DE, ***
How much clearer to I have to be!
This post was edited on 2/11/11 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 2/11/11 at 12:03 pm to TheSecWEST
I can't make it any clearer than I have.
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