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re: Realistic coaching choices for the Arkansas Razorbacks

Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:49 am to
Posted by piggilicious
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Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:49 am to
why start a thread? there are multiple already available for your stupidity.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42353 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:50 am to
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That is what really happened. JLS cost Arkansas a shot at a national title or a BCS bowl because NAMES. A competent coach would have made a huge difference. Your false dichotomy of JLS OR changing everything is just that. You can get a competent coach and part of that competence would be understanding that you go with what you have. The good news would be that the competent coach would run the ball to sew up the back in of winnable games.



Your premise is flawed. The only way to avoid what you speak was to hire a head coach to call the offensive plays, that is the biggest difference between the Bobby era and year of the Paul.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:54 am to
Arkie needs to get the pass happy offensive guru out of their minds...they will keep on getting crap beat outta them by the top defenses in the SEC every year. You need a no nonsense defense first coach that will install a run oriented field position offense and rock solid run defense to compete with LSU & Bama. If you are satisfied with 7-5 or maybe 8-4 seasons then go ahead and hire a coach who will throw the ball 50 times. It will be entertaining until you get taken behind the woodshed by very good defenses.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25234 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:56 am to
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The only way to avoid what you speak was to hire a head coach to call the offensive plays




Sure, because a head coach can't tell his coordinators what to do because he isn't the play caller. Come on. You wasted a year on a guy who has consistently proven he can't get the job done. Glad he knows the names and staff. That was virtually all he brought to the table.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42353 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:57 am to
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Arkie needs to get the pass happy offensive guru out of their minds...they will keep on getting crap beat outta them by the top defenses in the SEC every year. You need a no nonsense defense first coach that will install a run oriented field position offense and rock solid run defense to compete with LSU & Bama. If you are satisfied with 7-5 or maybe 8-4 seasons then go ahead and hire a coach who will throw the ball 50 times. It will be entertaining until you get taken behind the woodshed by very good defenses.


Actually we need a good 50/50 pass run offense with a coach who gives a frick about defense.

If we play like Bama/LSU in coaching hiring we will lose to them on the field.

Bobby Petrino was not pass happy, Paul Petrino is.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42353 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 11:59 am to
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Sure, because a head coach can't tell his coordinators what to do because he isn't the play caller. Come on. You wasted a year on a guy who has consistently proven he can't get the job done. Glad he knows the names and staff. That was virtually all he brought to the table.


He was brought in because he was the only head coaching hire who would agree to leave the whole staff in place. The flawed logic was that only a CEO type head coach was needed. Obviously a head coach bringing in a OC was needed, or JLS actually having authority over the staff.

Good news is try outs are over, we'll be going outside this staff for the next hire.
Posted by OldSulRoss
Member since Aug 2011
317 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:04 pm to
How does Kirby Smart not have a HC gig somewhere, yet? Is he an idiot savant solving defensive schemes like Rainman counting toothpicks, but otherwise thoroughly useless and incapable?

Seriously, he's like Brent Venebles, only with less used car salesman haircuts.
Posted by dedfella
Ms
Member since Aug 2011
3953 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:12 pm to
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How does Kirby Smart not have a HC gig somewhere, yet


According to rumor he has passed on at least 3.

He is well paid at Bama and seems to be waiting on the "right" job to come along.
Posted by Pigimus Prime
Arkansas
Member since Feb 2012
4086 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 12:18 pm to
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That is what really happened. JLS cost Arkansas a shot at a national title or a BCS bowl because NAMES. A competent coach would have made a huge difference. Your false dichotomy of JLS OR changing everything is just that. You can get a competent coach and part of that competence would be understanding that you go with what you have. The good news would be that the competent coach would run the ball to sew up the back in of winnable games.


I cannot argue with this at all knowing what we know now.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25234 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 1:19 pm to
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I cannot argue with this at all knowing what we know now.



Yeah, it is tough. Hopefully Mitchell, Allen, or some combination can get Arkansas back in the thick of things next year when a real coach takes over.
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 1:26 pm to
We'll all pay you to take David Yost. Seriously.

Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42353 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 1:27 pm to
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We'll all pay you to take David Yost


Nobody wants your coach in waiting.

quote:

Seriously.
Posted by Pigimus Prime
Arkansas
Member since Feb 2012
4086 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 1:29 pm to
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Yeah, it is tough. Hopefully Mitchell, Allen, or some combination can get Arkansas back in the thick of things next year when a real coach takes over.


With any sort of coach next year's offense should be ok. While there are a couple of you, bright spots on defense I am not sure things will be much better.
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 1:31 pm to
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Nobody wants your coach in waiting.


Take that up with your brother who made this thread..

Denton, why not head over to the thread where you just got reamed by multiple posters?
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42353 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 1:32 pm to
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With any sort of coach next year's offense should be ok


Lose our top three RBs, Top WR, Top TE, Top QB.

Posted by FootballHog
Member since Nov 2006
7694 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 1:35 pm to
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42353 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 1:37 pm to
Remember that shitty show in HBO about the surfer's and the guy who was either an alien or God, but the show was cancelled before we found out which?

That is what I'm reminded of when I hear "Yost".
Posted by Pigimus Prime
Arkansas
Member since Feb 2012
4086 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 2:15 pm to
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Lose our top three RBs, Top WR, Top TE, Top QB.



I meant ok as just ok, not ok as in great.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42353 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 2:19 pm to
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I meant ok as just ok, not ok as in great.



Its going to be basically a complete rebuild like 08, probably not as bad but close.

The next HC needs to do a better job of building the program on solid ground.
Posted by Pigimus Prime
Arkansas
Member since Feb 2012
4086 posts
Posted on 9/19/12 at 2:20 pm to
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The next HC needs to do a better job of building the program on solid ground.



No doubt about that. I still expect a more talented team than 08 though.
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