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re: Ranking the SEC states in terms of "Southernness"
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:12 am to Prof
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:12 am to Prof
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^^The Confederacy is NOT the South
I didn't want to bring the war into this but you did mention "The Old South." To me, The "Old South" and the Civil War go hand and hand....Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:17 am to Feral
There's plenty of mountainous terrain all west of Little Rock. Most people don't see much of it because I-40 runs through the Arkansas River Valley all the way to Fort Smith. They put the freeway in the broadest flat valley in that part of the state.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:24 am to TheSwineAssault
East Tennessee is definitely Southern.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:25 am to KCM0Tiger
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8. Florida
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 2:32 pm to TheSwineAssault
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I didn't want to bring the war into this but you did mention "The Old South." To me, The "Old South" and the Civil War go hand and hand....Please correct me if I'm wrong.
While I can definitely see you associating Old South with the war that's not what I meant -- I meant in terms of the original old south states.
As for the East, we actually tried to secede from the state of Tennessee when Tennessee voted to secede so yeah our part of the South isn't Confederate (We fought with Sherman as a whole and were in on the bridge burning conspiracy with N. Alabama and N. GA joining in).
I knew an older guy from one of the mountain counties who went to his grave calling Democrats "Rebels" - E. TN republicans go back to E. TN Unionists.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 2:51 pm to Prof
Every state in the Confederacy had union loyalists.
There were more in the mountainous regions because very few of those folks owned slaves. If we're going to equate "southern-ness" with the degree of support for the Confederate cause, we're essentially equating southern-ness with slave-owning.
Fayetteville had few slaves and some union loyalists. The people living here at the time suffered as much as anybody, had their city burned, and thousands of soldiers killed and wounded in the countryside right outside of town in two large battles, and a few smaller skirmishes. Being in the hills (if we're going to equate southern-ness with "Confederate-ness") didn't make the yankees take it any easier on anybody in a Confederate state. The cemeteries here are just as full of dead soldiers as anywhere else in the south.
There were more in the mountainous regions because very few of those folks owned slaves. If we're going to equate "southern-ness" with the degree of support for the Confederate cause, we're essentially equating southern-ness with slave-owning.
Fayetteville had few slaves and some union loyalists. The people living here at the time suffered as much as anybody, had their city burned, and thousands of soldiers killed and wounded in the countryside right outside of town in two large battles, and a few smaller skirmishes. Being in the hills (if we're going to equate southern-ness with "Confederate-ness") didn't make the yankees take it any easier on anybody in a Confederate state. The cemeteries here are just as full of dead soldiers as anywhere else in the south.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 3:33 pm to wmr
I don't equate southerness with confederacy at all. In fact, I think that is one of the worst things people do when defining the South. The South is so much more than a war or a bunch of slaveholders.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 3:35 pm to Prof
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The South is so much more than a war or a bunch of slaveholders.
Agreed...
Posted on 4/7/14 at 7:45 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Anybody that thinks Texas is southern probably hasn't been there in the last 25-30 years. I know most of the people on here aren't 30, and I'm not talking about just inside the state line from Louisiana either. Texas is Texas. A long time ago, Texas was a lot more analogous with southern customs, but that has changed for the most part. I don't even consider Atlanta a 'southern town' anymore, for obvious reasons. It's historically southern.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:23 pm to KCM0Tiger
Alabama
Mississippi
Louisiana
Georgia
Tennessee
Kentucky
USCe
Arkansas
Texas
Florida
Missouri
Mississippi
Louisiana
Georgia
Tennessee
Kentucky
USCe
Arkansas
Texas
Florida
Missouri
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:05 am to dreaux
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Alabama
Mississippi
Louisiana
Georgia
Tennessee
Kentucky
USCe
Arkansas
Texas
Florida
Missouri
Kentucky over South Carolina and Arkansas? El oh el.
Kentucky shares a border with 3 states epitomizing Yankeeness in Illinois, Indiana and Ohio (Cincinnati is right across the freaking river) and West Virginia and Virginia (which isn't exact 'southern' anymore).
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:07 am to KCM0Tiger
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1. Mississippi
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11. Missouri
Hey?!
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:07 am to Reservoir dawg
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Texas is Texas
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:09 am to Feral
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Wasn't Andrew Jackson born in South Carolina?
Yes, near Lancaster, SC. Jackson though wanted to expand America while Calhoun wanted to secede.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:44 am to Feral
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Feral
Ranking the SEC states in terms of "Southernness"
FIFY
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Mississippi
Alabama
Georgia
South Carolina
Arkansas
Tennessee
Kentucky
Louisiana
Texas
Florida
Missouri
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:48 am to MetryTyger
I kinda feel like Kentucky and Louisiana should be switched.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:56 am to wadewilson
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I kinda feel like Kentucky and Louisiana should be switched.
Ditto. I'd put Louisiana over Tennessee and Kentucky.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:58 am to Feral
I don't know about Tennessee.................south Louisiana is a little different.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:08 am to roadGator
Fat arse Missouri making a Southern push.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:25 am to KCM0Tiger
1. Mississippi
2. Alabama
3. South Carolina
4. Georgia
5. Louisiana
6. Tennessee
7. Arkansas
8. Kentucky
9. Texas
10. Missouri
11. Florida
2. Alabama
3. South Carolina
4. Georgia
5. Louisiana
6. Tennessee
7. Arkansas
8. Kentucky
9. Texas
10. Missouri
11. Florida
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