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Posted on 6/5/16 at 12:03 pm to Killean
Do the Pigs fans not realize the NCAA Baseball and Softball playoffs are under way?
Of course not!!
Of course not!!
Posted on 6/5/16 at 12:04 pm to Killean
The dirtiest part of the OM NOA was under the watch of the Godfather of Arkansas football. I wonder what kind of skeletons he has hidden up there?
Posted on 6/5/16 at 12:06 pm to Lsuchs
I'm not saying you're wrong, but the thing that I cannot get past is preventing kids from using their God given name to make money. How is it fair that an organization steps in and prevents them from signing autographs or starting their own business for a profit? Any other student is afforded that opportunity, but not athletes.
They should have the opportunity to engage in free enterprise just like any other college student and not have some made up, bullshite "NFP" organization telling them they can't.
Also, the it bugs the shite out of me that the NCAA claims a non-profit tax status yet rakes in tens of millions of dollars in profit every year. They pay their commissioner multiple millions. Why does that organization get the benefit of a free market while the only reason it exists (the athletes) do not get that same benefit? It's some serious backwards "do as I say and not as I do" logic.
If you're going to make the rules, at least play by them. The NCAA makes rules for these players but then doesn't abide by them on their own. It's not equitable.
They should have the opportunity to engage in free enterprise just like any other college student and not have some made up, bullshite "NFP" organization telling them they can't.
Also, the it bugs the shite out of me that the NCAA claims a non-profit tax status yet rakes in tens of millions of dollars in profit every year. They pay their commissioner multiple millions. Why does that organization get the benefit of a free market while the only reason it exists (the athletes) do not get that same benefit? It's some serious backwards "do as I say and not as I do" logic.
If you're going to make the rules, at least play by them. The NCAA makes rules for these players but then doesn't abide by them on their own. It's not equitable.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 12:50 pm to Dixie Normus
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but the thing that I cannot get past is preventing kids from using their God given name to make money
I hear you on this, the thing is it's just not possible to regulate this. Recruiting would get out of hand.
The second this becomes legal every single recruiting battle comes down to which schools booster will "buy a signed jersey" for the most money after the prospect signs.
Boosters will literally just buy things constantly and you are essentially paying players. Schools like Oregon would have players sign w Nike to "promote their name". All of this would be discussed in the recruiting process, none of it would be an innocent business plan by the player to cash in on his name like we'd intend
You could put a cap on single purchases I guess but people would find a way around this. And then it could just be said "who is the ncaa to tell them the max they can receive for an autograph"...
This post was edited on 6/5/16 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 6/5/16 at 12:58 pm to Killean
Texas A&M Speaking of the Southwest Conference, a close runner-up for mid-1980s corruption in the storm-tossed league would seem to be Texas A&M. Amid positive developments under Jackie Sherrill, such as Cotton Bowls and the institution of the 12th Man tradition, the Aggies ran a loose ship and were ultimately deemed to be guilty of such shenanigans as improper employment, extra benefits, unethical conduct and lack of institutional control. Sherrill was not personally implicated in the infractions, but he did resign in 1988, the same year his program went on probation. - See more at: LINK
Posted on 6/5/16 at 1:03 pm to Lsuchs
I know why they don't allow it, but it still doesn't make it right. You can't deny someone the right to use their own name. It's literally the antithesis of what it means to be an American. It completely destroys the idea of a capitalist market. These kids didn't get good at football on talent alone. It took a lot of time and effort to get to where they are and there is an organization that puts a limit on their opportunities that are the direct result of that hard work.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 1:06 pm to Dixie Normus
I'm not saying I don't agree with you, I'm saying I don't see how you can regulate it.
There is no law against being good at football and making money off your name. not collecting on their name is an NCAA rule, they can sign the letter of intent with an NCAA institution or they can go collect money on their names and talent elsewhere all they want (good luck)
There is Canadian football, European football, arena, and so on you can pursue if you don't like it while you wait for the NFL. It's a free market, competitors to the NCAA are welcome. If they started making headway then the ncaa might be forced to change.
I don't agree with a lot of things in contracts I sign. Taken out of context a lot of clauses in plenty of them seem like the antithesis of being American. The thing is it's a free country, here's my offer sign it if you want walk if you don't. Someone else is free and welcome to give you a better offer if they find an incentive to
There is no law against being good at football and making money off your name. not collecting on their name is an NCAA rule, they can sign the letter of intent with an NCAA institution or they can go collect money on their names and talent elsewhere all they want (good luck)
There is Canadian football, European football, arena, and so on you can pursue if you don't like it while you wait for the NFL. It's a free market, competitors to the NCAA are welcome. If they started making headway then the ncaa might be forced to change.
I don't agree with a lot of things in contracts I sign. Taken out of context a lot of clauses in plenty of them seem like the antithesis of being American. The thing is it's a free country, here's my offer sign it if you want walk if you don't. Someone else is free and welcome to give you a better offer if they find an incentive to
This post was edited on 6/5/16 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/5/16 at 2:25 pm to justustm2
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Under your calculations slaves received free room and board, free health care, free transportation and free training as well. So I guess slavery was a good deal for the slaves also.
Yes, It's exactly like slavery.
D1 schools capture prospects of all races and chain them up, force them to play football completely against their will, they do not enjoy the game or the fame that comes with it, they can definitely not walk out anytime they want, they are abused constantly and definitely not set up for success later in life..
It's so terrible people are paying to get a spot after all the free ones are taken (walkons)
Meanwhile the greedy old AD is spending all these 10s of millions on stupid things like tennis/swimming/softball/golf/basketball facilities, travel, and coaching salaries. all the while these poor football players are just walking around as kings on campus, given free everything, thousands in spending cash per semester, and any cush job they want in the offseason. They should be able to have Lamborghini's I'm with you, it's a messed up system. They are the only athletes on campus taking up their time and energy
This post was edited on 6/5/16 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 6/5/16 at 2:32 pm to dcbl
Auburn has to be #1. Most major violations
LSU has the least major violations in the west
LSU has the least major violations in the west
Posted on 6/5/16 at 3:58 pm to justustm2
Those stadiums are filled, jerseys are sold, tv money given, and concessions sold every year, regardless of who plays for the colleges. Sure there might be a spike in #2 jerseys in Auburn one year, or #12 in Texas for a couple of years, but overall, the schools go on and the money still flows because of traditions and the consumers undying ties to the University... Not individual players.
Most schools have used a lot of the money they've gained from TV contracts and merchandising to make the college football players experience FAR more luxurious than the average students they attend class with (if they even always have to attend)
Let's cut it down to the core, let's make a "no bend" admission policy, then a large chunk of these CFB players won't even get into a university. Maybe a minor league football scene will pop up, and they can negotiate their own deals while hoping to improve without the direction and free education that comes along with going to that "slave market" that we call college football.
Most schools have used a lot of the money they've gained from TV contracts and merchandising to make the college football players experience FAR more luxurious than the average students they attend class with (if they even always have to attend)
Let's cut it down to the core, let's make a "no bend" admission policy, then a large chunk of these CFB players won't even get into a university. Maybe a minor league football scene will pop up, and they can negotiate their own deals while hoping to improve without the direction and free education that comes along with going to that "slave market" that we call college football.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 4:00 pm to Killean
How exactly do you have Bama as cleaner than LSU????
Posted on 6/5/16 at 4:13 pm to Dixie Normus
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I know why they don't allow it, but it still doesn't make it right. You can't deny someone the right to use their own name. It's literally the antithesis of what it means to be an American. It completely destroys the idea of a capitalist market. These kids didn't get good at football on talent alone. It took a lot of time and effort to get to where they are and there is an organization that puts a limit on their opportunities that are the direct result of that hard work.
Without the school allowing them to be part of the team, and getting all the marketing that comes with that, their name wouldn't mean anything to anyone outside their family. And as soon as they leave school, they can make as much money off the name recognition they got playing football for the school they can.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 4:28 pm to Killean
let's see now, LSU has been on probation once and that was for a self reported violation. LSU fired the coach involved and the player involved never played a down (was tossed).
the aggies have been on probation many times (one of the most penalized teams in the country) and YOU say they are cleaner than LSU.
Bama has also been popped much more than LSU.
I have no problem with you putting Arkansas high up as I have not known of any transgressions with your program but LSU should be no lower than #2.
the aggies have been on probation many times (one of the most penalized teams in the country) and YOU say they are cleaner than LSU.
Bama has also been popped much more than LSU.
I have no problem with you putting Arkansas high up as I have not known of any transgressions with your program but LSU should be no lower than #2.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 4:37 pm to Killean
SEC West:
1. Alabama
2. Ole Miss
3. Miss St
4. Auburn
5. aTm
6. LSU
7. Arkansas
SEC East:
1. Kentucky
2. Tennessee
3. Georgia
4. Florida
5. South Carolina
6. Missouri
7. Vanderbilt
1. Alabama
2. Ole Miss
3. Miss St
4. Auburn
5. aTm
6. LSU
7. Arkansas
SEC East:
1. Kentucky
2. Tennessee
3. Georgia
4. Florida
5. South Carolina
6. Missouri
7. Vanderbilt
Posted on 6/5/16 at 4:41 pm to LSU GrandDad
It's not just outright NCAA violations. I'm including things such as letting players with criminal problems play. I'm also looking at ALL sports, not just football.
In the west, 2 through 4 don't seem to have much separation to me.
In the west, 2 through 4 don't seem to have much separation to me.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 5:00 pm to Hugh McElroy
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Bert is the dirtiest coach in the league, on account of not being able to see his dick to wash is properly.
Aggie fans have a worrisome attraction to Bert's pecker.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 5:37 pm to KingSlayer
Fournette didn't need a college to make money. The NCAA actively blocked him from marketing himself under the "BugaNation" trademark. He wasn't even allowed to register it - only his parents could or he probably would've been suspended.
That's also a terrible mentality. Next time you get a job, let's just not pay you during your training period. You have the skills but the only reason you need the training is because you have to go through your company's orientation. It's not fair.
That's also a terrible mentality. Next time you get a job, let's just not pay you during your training period. You have the skills but the only reason you need the training is because you have to go through your company's orientation. It's not fair.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 5:46 pm to BowlJackson
State wasn't willing to pay the 200K
Posted on 6/5/16 at 5:59 pm to Dixie Normus
quote:free food, housing, transportation, education...Not pay? Cmon man. They get paid over 100k for their time
let's just not pay you during your training period.
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