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Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:31 am to Hugh McElroy
it's pretty cut and dry shameful. It's got many bama and arky fans in rare form around here attempting to defend it. This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 8:32 am
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:37 am to DocHog
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One thing though: you Aggie and Auburn fans are endlessly touting the offensive genius of your respective coaches. Especially you Aubs fans. "Gus isn't married to one offense, he adapts to the players and talent at his disposal in a given season. That is his genius." I've read these type sentiments ad nauseum on the rant. So if Gus and Sumlin are indeed such brilliant minds, and if recruiting is indeed building your team into an unbeatable force(looking at you, aggies,) then why do you care if the rules are adjusted. After all,your super-brilliant HCs will still find a way to make you successful, no?
I haven't said this but I'll chime in. Gus does adjust his offensive style to his personnel. I think every coach does but in Auburn's case, where we might run 80% of the time, or whatever, it looks like that's all the offense can do. You have to go back to Gus's other years, running the offense with Chris Todd...and then the far more balanced 2010 attack...also, those years weren't run as fast as 2013. I think Auburn was 40th in plays run or something. We weren't that fast to begin with. But that is kind of misleading. Anyone that watched Auburn would see the offense go into hyper speed mode after getting a first down around midfield. So while the average wasn't that fast, at times, Auburn was very very fast.
So yes, I think we will be fine regardless. What pisses me off is that Saban and Bulemia get to waltz in in front of the likes of Troy Calhoun and Todd Berry, WITH NO SUPPORTING DATA AND NO OPPOSING VIEWPOINT, and "moved" them both, I'm sure both were totally fan-girling over Saban. And now, this rule sits at a table that is traditionally a rubber stamp. It pisses me off that 2 coaches can walk into a room and change the game...weakening dozens of other programs (that they haven't been able to handle on the field) instead of responding to innovation.
Let me ask YOU this. Do you think the HUNH is the last football innovation? No? What if the next on is a certain formation using, I dunno, a second quarterback or something. Let's say YOUR team is very good at it and it is well within the rules. Is this how you think it ought to go for the coaches that haven't figured out yet how to defend it? They should just be able to walk into a room, bat their eyes at their fan club and just outlaw it? You need to be concerned about what this means for the NEXT innovation and the NEXT.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:41 am to DocHog
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I wish they'd leave all of this alone.
Let offenses across the country move to a HUNH concept, and the defenses will learn to adapt. They always do.
When this occurs though, the remaining teams that run traditional smash-mouth football will be at a decided advantage. After all, it will be very difficult to adjust a defense built to stop the HUNH that two weeks out of the year has to gear up to play a power team like Bama or what I hope BB is building at Arkansas.
One thing though: you Aggie and Auburn fans are endlessly touting the offensive genius of your respective coaches. Especially you Aubs fans. "Gus isn't married to one offense, he adapts to the players and talent at his disposal in a given season. That is his genius."
I've read these type sentiments ad nauseum on the rant.
So if Gus and Sumlin are indeed such brilliant minds, and if recruiting is indeed building your team into an unbeatable force(looking at you, aggies,) then why do you care if the rules are adjusted. After all,your super-brilliant HCs will still find a way to make you successful, no?
Well put Doc. The HUNH is dependent on the other team not doing their job instead of your team doing it's job. In the end whats more dependable. Personally I have more of an issue with the "quick snap" than the "hurry up", receivers that block down field then release on pass routes and O-lines lining up in a pocket or in the backfield before the snap. The HUNH is not some revolutionary offensive philosophy. It's an exploitation of a loophole in the rule book. The fan bases of coaches who really have no talent in X's and O's and teaching execution of a play are the ones having a hard time dealing with this because they know the gimmick might be over.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:45 am to 6nmylifetime
Is the option a gimmick?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:49 am to tkane311
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What pisses me off is that Saban and Bulemia get to waltz in in front of the likes of Troy Calhoun and Todd Berry, WITH NO SUPPORTING DATA AND NO OPPOSING VIEWPOINT, and "moved" them both, I'm sure both were totally fan-girling over Saban. And now, this rule sits at a table that is traditionally a rubber stamp. It pisses me off that 2 coaches can walk into a room and change the game...weakening dozens of other programs (that they haven't been able to handle on the field) instead of responding to innovation.
When you've won 4 BCS Titles people might value your opinion on the game. How did that Gus offense do in 2011. BAMA handled aTm and Ole Miss (HUNH) but lost to AU and OK. Auburn beat BAMA but many would say it was special teams that won the game. Not the HUNH, but lost to LSU and FSU (traditional pro set Offenses) so Auburn has some work to do as well. I think the rule proposition creates more problems. Leave the game alone and let the HUNH go the way of the wishbone.
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:52 am to TheDoc
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Is the option a gimmick?
Tha frick does the option have to do with snapping the ball when the D isn't ready?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:55 am to 6nmylifetime
I won't respond directly to a post from someone who calls my coach "Bulemia,"
And I don't think there has been any kind of bad faith as the rules have been reviewed and potentially amended. There was certainly nothing nefarious coming out of the football coaches assn based in Waco.
Let's be honest here. Almost 20 years ago, the NCAA came in with new hand-check rules that were designed to neuter Nolan Richardson and my beloved Razorback BB team. Those who couldn't beat him, got him via a rule change.
So I agree that rule-changes shouldn't kill teams.
I'm just saying that the Ags and Aubs who are constantly bragging about the intrinsic greatness of their coaches and players should remain confident in their future success.
Personally, I don't think BB has the pull to move this kind of issue, and I know that there was no BS here in Waco with Teaff's coaches organization.
Beyond that I couldn't care less. In fact, for the reasons I gave in my previous post, I wish they'd leave it alone
And I don't think there has been any kind of bad faith as the rules have been reviewed and potentially amended. There was certainly nothing nefarious coming out of the football coaches assn based in Waco.
Let's be honest here. Almost 20 years ago, the NCAA came in with new hand-check rules that were designed to neuter Nolan Richardson and my beloved Razorback BB team. Those who couldn't beat him, got him via a rule change.
So I agree that rule-changes shouldn't kill teams.
I'm just saying that the Ags and Aubs who are constantly bragging about the intrinsic greatness of their coaches and players should remain confident in their future success.
Personally, I don't think BB has the pull to move this kind of issue, and I know that there was no BS here in Waco with Teaff's coaches organization.
Beyond that I couldn't care less. In fact, for the reasons I gave in my previous post, I wish they'd leave it alone
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:58 am to TheDoc
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Is the option a gimmick?
No but it is a system that was figured out and faded away (see wishbone). The option can be defended and figured out relatively easy (How's GaTech doing?) unless the defense literally has no time to read a formation and get set via a quick snap. The option is not the reason for the play working. In the end it comes down to what is the spirit of the game of American Football. Do we want it to be a continuous game or not? Why did the whistle after each play evolve into the American game to begin with? Maybe because some wanted the game to be about the strategy of X's,O's and execution instead of gimmicks.
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:00 am to Lieutenant Dan
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Tha frick does the option have to do with snapping the ball when the D isn't ready?
Really? The option was an innovative strategy that at first, defenses weren't at all comfortable with defending.
NOT walking slowly up to the line, and reading defenses ala AJ McCarron, letting them read you, then snapping the ball after standing there for 20 seconds...it's been uncomfortable for traditional teams. Some, see LSU, have adjusted quite well. Others, see Bama and Arky, haven't.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:01 am to 6nmylifetime
Why stop with football. Imagine how many more strikeouts and no-hitters we could have if we would allow the pitcher to throw the ball before the batter got into the box.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:01 am to 6nmylifetime
Sad seeing Bama and Arky fans trying to seriously defend this garbage.
Shameful
Shameful
Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:02 am to 6nmylifetime
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If you want a continuos game go play soccer
I keep seeing this posted by Bama fans. It's simply not true, and I'm not a fan of the HUNH. There's still a break between plays, there's still plays being called. This is almost as lame as the player safety excuse.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:06 am to Swagga
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there's still plays being called.
I wouldn't exactly call running the zone read twenty times in a row "calling plays". and this is the fear Auburn fans have. They realize Gus can't call plays he can only hope to catch the other team not ready.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:07 am to sdmlsu1
Anyone that is seriously defending saban and Bert are intellectually dishonest
Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:08 am to Hugh McElroy
Everybody thinks saban and Bama fans are total pussies.
Congrats on the embarrassment for something that won't even happen.
Congrats on the embarrassment for something that won't even happen.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:13 am to 6nmylifetime
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catch the other team not ready.
LSU seemed to do just fine against Auburn
Why didn't Bama beat them?
Why weren't they ready?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:13 am to 6nmylifetime
You just keep digging that hole what a complete douche nozzle. 
Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:14 am to 6nmylifetime
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I wouldn't exactly call running the zone read twenty times in a row "calling plays". and this is the fear Auburn fans have. They realize Gus can't call plays he can only hope to catch the other team not ready.
Lol. Gus doesn't even turn up the speed usually until they cross the 50. And how unprepared does your coach have to be NOT to have his defense ready to play Auburn. How dumb is that if you are "taken by surprise" when Auburn speeds up.
Lol. Yeah. Gus can't call plays but Bama sure can. Sure can whine like a bunch of bitches too. "HEY! We woont weddy! We taking our ball and going home!"
You want to know who the nation thinks is scared right now? Go take a look at the national polls on this subject. Your coach and your fans are being exposed for what you really are on the national stage. Everybody with a column or a microphone is making fun of you right now. Have a listen. Hell, the polls are 65% to 35% in ALABAMA!
Posted on 2/15/14 at 9:15 am to tkane311
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Everybody with a column or a microphone is making fun of you right now. Have a listen.
They seriously are
And the way saban is trying to get this passed secretly is just slimy as shite
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