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re: Putting Tre Mason's 2013 season in perspective
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:40 pm to wdeinttown
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:40 pm to wdeinttown
Should have included Bo's numbers his Heisman year. 
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:41 pm to wdeinttown
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To be fair, though, this graphic should also include games played. 2013 AU played in 14 games while 2007 Arkansas played 13, and 1981 Georgia played 12.
Doesn't matter. Look at the # of carries.
Mason would have probably gone over 2000 yards if he didn't split as many carries as he did in the first couple games.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:41 pm to elposter
How did the system or games played (as someone else mentioned 14 vs 13 or less) help his numbers? If he has less carries and a better ypc then isn't that an apples to apples comparison?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:43 pm to Ross
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His yardage was lower in the first third of the year because we split carries between him, CAP, and Grant as well.
Yep, and that worked out well. Doubtful anyone could keep up the 33 carry a game pace he was on the last three games, through the bulk of the season. He was fresh when called upon to do it when needed though.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:47 pm to ChoadieMcSmalls
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How did the system or games played (as someone else mentioned 14 vs 13 or less) help his numbers? If he has less carries and a better ypc then isn't that an apples to apples comparison?
It's a good thought. Generally when we're talking about system-inflated numbers, it correlates with an offense that allows a QB to throw 60 times a game or something. Admittedly Gus puts together a dynamic offense centered on the run, but how is that different that other teams that want to establish the run foremost?
I think the thought process is that Gus can stick any talented back (the type that even if not that notable, Auburn and the like always seem to have a couple of) in there and get him 1300 yards. That may be true, but it raises interesting questions about the objective superiority of his offense. If the carries are the same, if the games differences are accounted for, and they're still more productive, that's a very good testament to what Gus is doing.
I think Auburn will be a strong offensive team under Gus regardless of who is at RB, so long as they're SEC caliber at least. Nonetheless, can they stay healthy enough to gain yardage like that? Against the best teams in the country?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:48 pm to cas4t
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Could be because of the type of offense AU uses.
ya don't say
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:49 pm to ChoadieMcSmalls
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How did the system or games played (as someone else mentioned 14 vs 13 or less) help his numbers? If he has less carries and a better ypc then isn't that an apples to apples comparison?
Mason had 14 games with essentially with 2 bye weeks. Fresher legs could help.
Although there is the grind of the season i think with the bye weeks these guys should be fresh at the beginning of most games.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:49 pm to ChoadieMcSmalls
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How did the system or games played (as someone else mentioned 14 vs 13 or less) help his numbers? If he has less carries and a better ypc then isn't that an apples to apples comparison?
The comparison is apples to apples with respect to the number of carries (that account for any discrepancy in games played).
System can matter though when comparing different RBs, just as it can matter when comparing QB stats. Malzaln's offense's ability to create space and confusion through misdirection and the hurry up concept is going to produce some big numbers, talent of players notwithstanding to some degree.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:52 pm to BamaDoc14
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BamaDoc14
You have quickly become one of the newest worst posters on the site. And that is quite a feat.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:53 pm to cas4t
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Could be because of the type of offense AU uses
So what everybody is saying is we're going to have RB with these type of numbers every year
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:53 pm to elposter
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He is a very good back, but his numbers this year were greatly helped by the system in which he ran this year. I think that is probably why you feel the way you do about him.
Care to explain.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:55 pm to Weagle25
I think everyone knows our offense is going to be legit as frick next year. Sammie and Dhaquille lining out wide with Marcus Davis and Uzomah rocking the slot? and Marshall with a year to learn how to throw the long ball? And our staple of RBs? Woot woot
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:55 pm to Ross
Eh, Richardson had more total yards, a higher ypc, and the same amount of TDs.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:57 pm to NYCAuburn
To me, HW's numbers are more impressive because there was no other threat on the team and everyone knew he was getting the rock. Just my biased opinion.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:57 pm to NYCAuburn
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Care to explain.
Did above.
My belief is that the misdirection in the running game, the threat of a very good running QB, and the hurry up concepts of Gus's system is a great advantage to a running back. I call it pace and space (just made that up). I think it's a great running system and I think you will consistently see big numbers from RBs at Auburn in Gus's system.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:00 pm to Ross
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I think everyone knows our offense is going to be legit as frick next year. Sammie and Dhaquille lining out wide with Marcus Davis and Uzomah rocking the slot? and Marshall with a year to learn how to throw the long ball? And our staple of RBs? Woot woot
Will Marshall still just chuck the ball around just assuming it will go to his player?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:00 pm to Kcoyote
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Eh, Richardson had more total yards, a higher ypc, and the same amount of TDs.
Mason had 300 more total yards, .3 yards more per play and two more total tds. So not sure where you came up with that.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:15 pm to NYCAuburn
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Mason had 300 more total yards, .3 yards more per play and two more total tds. So not sure where you came up with that.
I think the OP reflects yards from scrimmage so that is probably his reference point (Richardson didn't return kicks in 2011).
Richardson (2011) - 2017 yards from scrimmage, 24 TDs, and 6.5 yards per touch (5.9 yards per carry)
Mason (2013) - 1979 yards from scrimmage, 24 TDs, and 6.0 yards per touch (5.7 yards per carry).
Looked these up on the internet, I guess they are accurate but not sure.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:20 pm to wdeinttown
Tre Mason was the most impressive back I saw in the SEC this year. He possesses a ton of talent, no matter the system. Vision, toughness, motor, and explosiveness are all there for Tre.
Best of luck to him at the next level.
Best of luck to him at the next level.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:21 pm to wdeinttown
Total games played is irrelevant.. Look at the carries and ypc
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