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Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:23 am to IT_Dawg
I really don't understand anyone ranking UT above Mizzou. The way I see it, UGA, USCe, Mizzou, and Florida are the top 4 teams and i'd go that order because Gurley is a man child and will put that offense on his back for a couple games this season. If he goes down, i think it's a two team race between USCe and Mizzou. The biggest difference i see between Mizzou and UF is the West teams each has to play. Advantage heavily in favor of Mizzou.
TL;DR - UGA, USCe, and Mizzou should finish top 3 in the East but i cant begin to guess an order because of injuries that could occur. UF very close 4
TL;DR - UGA, USCe, and Mizzou should finish top 3 in the East but i cant begin to guess an order because of injuries that could occur. UF very close 4
Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:25 am to Mizzoufan26
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Doubt it. The east has good teams. It's not the west though
Your intimate knowledge of the SEC is based on 2 years. Through the decade of the 90s, UF and UT were not just SEC powers but national title contenders year in year out, and UGA had a couple 10 win seasons and some 8/9s as well. The west essentially just had bama. The shift of power is cyclical.
In addition, you don't really realize how incredibly fortunate Missouri is right now to be coming in when UF and UT are as low as they've been in decades. And that's not hyperbole. This might be the worst stretch run in UT football history..if not then it's damn close. This run for UF is as bad as they've been since probably the late 80s, maybe even the 70s. There is simply no way those 2 programs will keep on at their current clip.
And yes, I realize your rebuttal will be "well, who says Missouri can't get better too?" They can, sure. But UF and UT have far higher ceilings than Missouri, and are more likely to be good year in/year out. This doesn't even include UGA, who is annually a pretty good/great team as well.
I'm not saying Missouri won't ever win the SEC. I'm sure they will at some point. But for htem and aTm to make it at the same time just doesn't look very probably any time soon.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:44 am to Jon Ham
East:
UGA, USC, UF
West:
Bama, LSU, AU
Two things I predict:
1. Mizzou won't be as good as people seem to think
2. LSU (particularly on defense) is going to surprise some people.
UGA, USC, UF
West:
Bama, LSU, AU
Two things I predict:
1. Mizzou won't be as good as people seem to think
2. LSU (particularly on defense) is going to surprise some people.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:47 am to CharlesLSU
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1. Mizzou won't be as good as people seem to think
Everyone here just makes this comment and leaves it at that. Give me some reasoning behind why you think we will be down.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:51 am to CoMo_Tiger
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Give me some reasoning behind why you think we will be down.
I don't know if MU will be "down", per se, but I don't see them being as good as last year. Why not?
Well you lost 2 absolutely stud DL. I don't care who's gonna start, that production is difficult to replace. You lose your starting QB. Sure Mauk has potential, but if he was better than Franklin wouldnt' he have started instead? You lose one of the best RBs in the SEC last season. You also lost one of the most dynamic WRs in the league as far as playmaking ability.
I'm sure Missouri will be good, but I don't see them finishing top 2 in the east. I don't really think that's an outlandish prediction either.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:54 am to CoMo_Tiger
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Give me some reasoning behind why you think we will be down.
stated for me......AND, Mizzou isn't sneaking up on anybody. They will be taken seriously and with UGA and UF not being snake-bitten, the East universe will right itself.
Mizzou is 4th at best this year in the east.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:10 am to CharlesLSU
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CharlesLSU
I wouldn't consider beating everybody by 15 points (Minus USCe) "sneaking up" on anyone. I would call it making a statement.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:16 am to WG_Dawg
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I don't know if MU will be "down", per se, but I don't see them being as good as last year. Why not?
Well you lost 2 absolutely stud DL. I don't care who's gonna start, that production is difficult to replace. You lose your starting QB. Sure Mauk has potential, but if he was better than Franklin wouldnt' he have started instead? You lose one of the best RBs in the SEC last season. You also lost one of the most dynamic WRs in the league as far as playmaking ability.
I'm sure Missouri will be good, but I don't see them finishing top 2 in the east. I don't really think that's an outlandish prediction either.
Finally some decent reasoning! A couple counter points..
1. DLine was by far our deepest position last year and the loss of production will not come from starters. Ray and Golden will be just as good as Sam and Ealy. The 2 backups probably won't be as good as Ray and Golden were last year though
2. If Mauk can complete 60% of his passes, will put up bigger number than Franklin. He will also probably throw more INT's but he has more of that big play ability than Franklin.
3. We play 3 RB's so losing Josey is tough but not near the loss of DGB.
4. I have no counter argument for DGB, Mizzou will not have another receiver like him on our roster for a very, very long time
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:18 am to CoMo_Tiger
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1. DLine was by far our deepest position last year and the loss of production will not come from starters. Ray and Golden will be just as good as Sam and Ealy.
Pretty bold statement...
I don't believe they will be as productive as Sam and Ealy.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:19 am to kilo
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I have the west this way:
1. Auburn
2. Texas A&M
3 Ole Miss
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:22 am to boXerrumble
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boXerrumble
Golden was our most productive DE last year per downs played.
Ray and sam are pretty much the same player, pure pass rusher, and Ray is twice the athlete Sam is. Sam has the advantage because he is better at chasing young men, simple as that...
But in all seriousness, don't be surprised if Mizzou leads the league in sacks again this year
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:26 am to CoMo_Tiger
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Finally some decent reasoning!
yet it was still downvoted
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1. DLine was by far our deepest position last year and the loss of production will not come from starters. Ray and Golden will be just as good as Sam and Ealy
I just don't see that, sorry. One was SEC POY (maybe just defensive? I don't remember) and the other was just as disruptive. I just can't envision both their backups coming in and not missing a beat.
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2. If Mauk can complete 60% of his passes, will put up bigger number than Franklin. He will also probably throw more INT's but he has more of that big play ability than Franklin
I don't know where to find it, but someone posted Mauk's numbers from last year against the "big name" SEC teams he faced and then his numbers against everyone else. It seemed like his numbers were average at BEST against the best teams he played, and he racked up against bottom feeders. Is that true?
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3. We play 3 RB's so losing Josey is tough but not near the loss of DGB.
It'll still hurt to lose him. Keith Marshall is awesome, but that doesn't mean we'd be just as good as if Gurley was here too.
Again, I'm not saying MU will suck. Just that they wont' be as good as last year. I'm not making excuses, although some mizzou fans will be along shortly to say I am, but UF and UGA both had catastrophic injuries last year. Like essentially record breaking injuries both in quality and quantity. UT is on the rise. SC is in the midst of their best run in school history.
Missouri did what they had to do last year, no doubt. I just don't see them doing it again.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:35 am to WG_Dawg
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Give me some reasoning behind why you think we will be down.
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I don't know if MU will be "down", per se, but I don't see them being as good as last year. Why not? Well you lost 2 absolutely stud DL. I don't care who's gonna start, that production is difficult to replace. You lose your starting QB. Sure Mauk has potential, but if he was better than Franklin wouldnt' he have started instead? You lose one of the best RBs in the SEC last season. You also lost one of the most dynamic WRs in the league as far as playmaking ability.
Throw on top that you are replacing your 2 starting CBs with sophomores and were ranked 98th nationally in pass defense last year.
You don't just lose DGB, you lost your top 3 WRs.
Also, Josey had more TDs then every other RB on your team combined. he had a better YPC than the rest of them and had 600 yards more than the next closest.
You are 1 game above .500 in vs the SEC in 2 years. Last year was a severe case of injuries for UGA (game right before yours) and UF. Both those teams had a number of injuries never really seen before.
You play 4 weakdicks to start the season then play @ USC followed by UGA then @Florida. You will certainly start 4-0, but will then be 4-3, as you have no games for 4 weeks to prepare you for the SEC schedule....
Keep in mind that UGA did win @Missouri 2 years ago, so don't act like its tough for us to travel there.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:36 am to CockHolliday
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East: USC, UGA, UF
West: LSU, Bama, Ole Miss
Dat's what I wuz tinkin'.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:42 am to CoMo_Tiger
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But in all seriousness, don't be surprised if Mizzou leads the league in sacks again this year
20 of your 38 sacks came against the bottom 3 teams in the SEC East. Add in the 5 from Murray State and you only have 13 total sacks in the remaining 8 games.....
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:43 am to WG_Dawg
I was not the downvote haha, i actually enjoy talking football with other fanbases.
I love how UT is on the rise because they are winning in February, but we go 12-2 in actual football games against real players and teams and it is just a fluke
I understand the skepticism, but remember the huge hit on Murray that led to Sam's fumble recovery TD? That was Shane Ray who absolutely blew by your LT. And Golden will be drafted higher than Kony was. Already have scouts at our practices to watch mainly the DLine (this is a new experience for Mizzou)
Mauk was only RS Freshman last year playing in the SEC. You are right that most of his stats came against Kentucky and Tennessee but there were flashes where he showed he COULD be the best QB in the SEC this year (behind Marchall but that offense is a different story). Not saying he will be the best but you have to admit that if he was on your team and performed like he did last year you would have every reason to be optimistic
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UT is on the rise
I love how UT is on the rise because they are winning in February, but we go 12-2 in actual football games against real players and teams and it is just a fluke
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I just can't envision both their backups coming in and not missing a beat.
I understand the skepticism, but remember the huge hit on Murray that led to Sam's fumble recovery TD? That was Shane Ray who absolutely blew by your LT. And Golden will be drafted higher than Kony was. Already have scouts at our practices to watch mainly the DLine (this is a new experience for Mizzou)
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It seemed like his numbers were average at BEST against the best teams he played, and he racked up against bottom feeders. Is that true?
Mauk was only RS Freshman last year playing in the SEC. You are right that most of his stats came against Kentucky and Tennessee but there were flashes where he showed he COULD be the best QB in the SEC this year (behind Marchall but that offense is a different story). Not saying he will be the best but you have to admit that if he was on your team and performed like he did last year you would have every reason to be optimistic
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:45 am to CoMo_Tiger
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I love how UT is on the rise because they are winning in February, but we go 12-2 in actual football games against real players and teams and it is just a fluke
Is bama on the rise? No, they're already at the top. UT is "on the rise" because they actually show signs of improvement and potential future success, unlike what we've seen the entire Dooley tenure.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:46 am to WG_Dawg
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I don't know where to find it, but someone posted Mauk's numbers from last year against the "big name" SEC teams he faced and then his numbers against everyone else. It seemed like his numbers were average at BEST against the best teams he played, and he racked up against bottom feeders. Is that true?
___COMP__ATT__INT__YRDS__TD
FLORIDA..... 18 36 1 295 1
SOUTH CAROLINA....10- 25 1 249 1
TENNESSEE.........12- 25 0 163 3
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 10:47 am
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:47 am to Jon Ham
East
Georgia
S,Caroline
Fla
West
Bama
LSU
Ta&m
Georgia
S,Caroline
Fla
West
Bama
LSU
Ta&m
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