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Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:33 pm to madmaxvol
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I didn't realize how good Eli is...but this convinced me. By this measure, he is better than:
Roger Staubach
Steve Young
Aaron Rodgers
John Elway
Drew Brees
Troy Aikman
Jim Kelly
Dan Marino
Warren Moon
Dan Fouts
Boomer Esiason
Fran Tarkenton
Brett Favre
The thread is Eli vs Peyton in the clutch. No moving the posts.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:20 pm to madmaxvol
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1. It took the play by the receiver to make the catch. My point...it takes both the QB and receive to make the play.
2. According to Manningham, if his shoe was 1/2 size bigger, he would have been out of bounds. Eli gets credit for a great throw...but the receiver gets credit for the situational awareness to stay inbounds. Again...Manningham made a great play...to solely lay the play on "Eli's Intangibles" is myopic.
3. Maybe so...but I'm smarter than you.
1. Exactly, without both efforts they probably lose, they bailed the giants out, Eli needed no bailing out as he didn't play bad at all.
2. Manningham is a huge egotistical player, so of course he gives himself 100% credit. He also said he was better than the other receivers. Look at him now that he has left the giants. not one season over 500 yards.
3. Not saying much
there are plenty of people smarter than me that are ignorant. My original point, that you are arguing against, has been the quality of Eli's receivers throughout his career.
And you choose David tyree( terrible example) and Mario manningham ( hasn't done shite since leaving the gmen) as your examples for great receivers
because they happen to be involved in one of Eli's historically clutch superbowl moments, I'm sorry Eli can't complete clutch passes to himself, I have the feeling even then you Peyton apologists would find a way to give credit to someone else. No one is saying Eli is a better qb than Peyton, settle down. But acting like Peyton doesn't have weak points is laughable.
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:22 pm to Rebelfan1985
And how can people still claim that Peyton doesn't have enough help when this same team won a division title and playoff game (against the #1 defense that season) with Tebow's worthless arse?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:36 pm to Korin
It's the same argument cowboys fans use to try to say Tony romo is better than Eli.
Romo has great numbers, even 4th quarter numbers, but he comes up short in the biggest moments of HIS biggest stage which happens to be the regular season, Peyton doesn't have problems with the regular season, his playoff numbers look good 90qbr, but stats can't always tell the whole story, the big moments count even if they are a drop in the bucket, time-wise, compared to the amount of insignificant moments throughout their career.
Peyton is a more successful larger scale Tony romo, peytons problems occur in the biggest moments of the biggest game in the playoffs
Tony romo's problems occur in the biggest moment of the biggest game of the regular season
Tony romo is a microcosm of what Peyton manning is.
That being said Peyton is better than Eli, but not at being clutch IMO.
Romo has great numbers, even 4th quarter numbers, but he comes up short in the biggest moments of HIS biggest stage which happens to be the regular season, Peyton doesn't have problems with the regular season, his playoff numbers look good 90qbr, but stats can't always tell the whole story, the big moments count even if they are a drop in the bucket, time-wise, compared to the amount of insignificant moments throughout their career.
Peyton is a more successful larger scale Tony romo, peytons problems occur in the biggest moments of the biggest game in the playoffs
Tony romo's problems occur in the biggest moment of the biggest game of the regular season
Tony romo is a microcosm of what Peyton manning is.
That being said Peyton is better than Eli, but not at being clutch IMO.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:46 pm to Rebellious
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Amazing how Eli seems to rise to the occasion in pressure situations
No, what's amazing is how two lucky arse catches will make people start threads spewin bullshite like this and that there are actually people out there that would rather have eli. lulz
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:48 pm to Tds & Beer
You're mad because Eli owned that arse in college.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:53 pm to Hardy_Har
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the Ole Miss "we're still mad Peyton went to Tennessee so Eli is better" sickness runs very deep in a few Ole Miss homers..
You realize the only reason DC was hired was because Eli was about to run off as well.
Neither Manning felt allegiance to Ole Miss. Eli does now but before ...meh.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:58 pm to Tds & Beer
Read the title of the thread
Would rather have Eli In the superbowl or final drive in the superbowl.
Would rather have Eli In the superbowl or final drive in the superbowl.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:08 pm to Rebellious
Eli is one of THE luckiest QB's to ever win a Super Bowl.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:11 pm to Rebelfan1985
Give me Eli. Peyton has to have the offense run through him, and It's been proven pass happy teams have a hard time winning it all. Eli, with Jacobs in the backfield, along with those gmen D's, is better than Peyton throwing it 50 times per game.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:14 pm to That LSU Guy
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Eli is one of THE luckiest QB's to ever win a Super Bowl.
Both times?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:25 pm to Korin
I guess people will keep sticking to their "lucky" argument if he wins a 3rd one too.
Just because he looks butt fricking ugly, retarded looking, and is very awkward with the press doesn't mean he is incompetent or doesn't know what he is doing out there.
Just because he looks butt fricking ugly, retarded looking, and is very awkward with the press doesn't mean he is incompetent or doesn't know what he is doing out there.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:37 pm to Rebelfan1985
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My original point, that you are arguing against, has been the quality of Eli's receivers throughout his career. And you choose David tyree( terrible example) and Mario manningham ( hasn't done shite since leaving the gmen) as your examples for great receivers because they happen to be involved in one of Eli's historically clutch superbowl moments, I'm sorry Eli can't complete clutch passes to himself, I have the feeling even then you Peyton apologists would find a way to give credit to someone else. No one is saying Eli is a better qb than Peyton, settle down. But acting like Peyton doesn't have weak points is laughable.
I used Tyree to point out that it took a big play on both sides...it wasn't like the biggest play on the drive that won the game hit a receiver in stride. The whole point was that it might be that Eli is surrounded by players who come up big in the Super Bowl as much as he does.
As for Manningham...in the last two possessions in the Super Bowl, Manning went to Manningham 7 times (completing 4). He only caught 1 more pass the entire game. Again...Manningham stepped up as much as Eli.
On the other side...Peyton certainly has weaknesses, but he has been surrounded by other players who have choked in the big game as much (or more than) him. Is that partially because they were relying so much on him during the regular season that they were waiting on him to make the big plays instead of doing it themselves?
I'm not saying that Peyton plays great in Super Bowls...but I've been watching football for a long time. I haven't seen an individual win or lose a game, yet.
BTW...Your earlier posts said I was "Stupid as Frik", which I am not. Had you said that I was "Ignorant as Frik"...you might have been better served.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:38 pm to madmaxvol
You're also the genius that said he couldn't win a SB without Tyree - who wasn't on the team in 2011.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:54 pm to Korin
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You're also the genius that said he couldn't win a SB without Tyree - who wasn't on the team in 2011.
Yes, I did. Although, technically Tyree was with the Giants for the second Super Bowl, (Tyree was on the sideline for the 2011 game as a guest)...#intangibles
That being said, I will admit that I didn't follow David Tyree's career closely enough to remember that he had retired in June before the '11 season started.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:54 pm to Korin
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You're mad because Eli owned that arse in college.
I'm surprised you aren't...for the same reason.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:59 pm to madmaxvol
I'm not the one hating on Eli. 
Posted on 2/3/14 at 4:05 pm to madmaxvol
An argument can be made that Peyton has never "come up big" in any superbowl, even the one that he won.
And as far as ignorant vs stupidity goes, choosing to be ignorant is an exact definition of stupidity.
You choose to believe that Eli has been bailed out in both his superbowls when he played phenomenal, especially on the final drive of both games against the patriots. There is nothing more clutch than beating an undefeated 18-0 team with a come from behind drive and td pass for the win.
Without Eli, they lose and yes without other parts of the team they lose also. You are choosing to be ignorant because Peyton more times than not ends his season with a pick or bad performance vs the patriots. You are overcompensating for peytons failures by discrediting Eli for something Eli does very well.
Willful ignorance = stupidity.
I don't think you are stupid btw, I think you are taking up for Peyton which is fine, I like the mannings even Peyton.
And as far as ignorant vs stupidity goes, choosing to be ignorant is an exact definition of stupidity.
You choose to believe that Eli has been bailed out in both his superbowls when he played phenomenal, especially on the final drive of both games against the patriots. There is nothing more clutch than beating an undefeated 18-0 team with a come from behind drive and td pass for the win.
Without Eli, they lose and yes without other parts of the team they lose also. You are choosing to be ignorant because Peyton more times than not ends his season with a pick or bad performance vs the patriots. You are overcompensating for peytons failures by discrediting Eli for something Eli does very well.
Willful ignorance = stupidity.
I don't think you are stupid btw, I think you are taking up for Peyton which is fine, I like the mannings even Peyton.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 4:38 pm to Rebelfan1985
Eli Manning has more road post season wins than any QB EVER. Think about that.
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