re: Peyton vs. Eli "in the clutch"

Stats don't tell the whole story, but they tell the only story any two random people will (barring psychotic irrationality) be forced to agree on. They can debate the moral of the story til the cows come home, of course, but as far as the details go, there's no debate short of allegations of impropriety in recording the stats.

"Intangibles" are a very real thing. I played football in high-school (3rd string, mind you, on a team that won 3 games in two years) and I certainly saw the intangibles at work. But here's the thing -- intangibles are entirely about perception. Stats aren't. I actually got put in at QB for a few series once after we'd given up 8 sacks in the first half. (At the time, I assumed it was because I was fast and could do a basic pitch or hand-off; now I realize it was probably because the coach didn't care if I got injured ) I had no intangibles to speak of. People liked me but I couldn't lead a team very well. I was fast but I didn't have the instincts to slip through the line. But my momma thought I did a wonderful job. She had no idea what 'intangibles' were, but had she known the term, she would have described me as having great intangibles despite having a stat sheet that showed I didn't fumble, didn't throw, and gained no yards. It's all about perception. You can rave about someone's intangibles all you want. The only thing required to mount an effective counterargument is one person going, "Nah...his intangibles suck."

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Eli 2-0 against Florida.
Peyton 0-4 against Florida.

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Ron Zook vs Steve Spurrier

15-11 vs 34-4

Yawn

We're not just talking Super Bowls. I'd like the see the % of mutliple-interception losses in the playoffs versus all playoff appearances. For Peyton, Eli, Brady, etc

I would bet dollars to donuts that Manning's is much higher, despite being the most technically skilled QB of all time.

Why?

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I'd like the see the % of mutliple-interception losses in the playoffs versus all playoff appearances. For Peyton, Eli, Brady, etc

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I would bet dollars to donuts that Manning's is much higher, despite being the most technically skilled QB of all time.

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It would also be interesting to see what the correlation is between multiple interceptions thrown and passing attempts, rushing yards and time of possession.

If you have to throw, and the defense knows it, then they are probably going to be focused on stopping the pass first.

Solely focusing on the interceptions puts a bias on the statistical model.

Why not apply this same logic to Bradshaw? Obviously they were an incredible running team. Generally he was only asked to throw on 3rd and long. Wouldn't this negatively skew his stats?


We're getting back to my earlier point. There is no apples to apples. But people only point out the circumstantial difference when it benefits their argument.

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Well...your "facts" were wrong. Manning didn't start against Florida as a Freshman, Todd Helton did. So, his record is not 0-4 against them.

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I never said he started in 94. You're the one moving the posts.

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We're not just talking Super Bowls. I'd like the see the % of mutliple-interception losses in the playoffs versus all playoff appearances. For Peyton, Eli, Brady, etc

I would bet dollars to donuts that Manning's is much higher, despite being the most technically skilled QB of all time.

Why?

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In his 23 career postseason starts, Manning has 5 multiple INT losses (21%). In 6 of his losses, he had 0 or 1.

In Eli Manning's 11 career postseason starts, Eli has 2 multiple INT losses (18%). He had 1 INT in his other loss.

As a percentage of total losses, Eli's multiple INT games constitute 66.6% and Peyton's 45.4%.

The most glaring difference obviously is that Peyton actually makes the postseason EVERY SINGLE YEAR, whereas Eli has missed the postseason 5 times in his 10 years as a starter. That is a huge fact you are ignoring.

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It would also be interesting to see what the correlation is between multiple interceptions thrown and passing attempts, rushing yards and time of possession.

If you have to throw, and the defense knows it, then they are probably going to be focused on stopping the pass first.

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Peyton consistently had awful defense in Indy, Eli has made the playoffs just once with a defense outside the top half of the league. That is another factor people ignore.

Eli 2x SB mvp
Peyton 1x SB mvp

Too bad he was on the team and played in the game. 0-4 overall. Fact.