re: Pete Carroll vs Nick Saban (college)

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According to the chart, Saban is 13-3 vs. teams ranked 11-25, and Caroll is 6-4. The fact that only 5 of Carolls top 10 games are against teams from his conference diminishes his record to doe extent, IMO. It is much tougher to play teams from your own conference, as evidenced by Carolls teams annually losing to a "bad" Pac-12 team. Saban's lost only 2 top 10 games to teams outside the SEC (08 Utah, 13 OU). I believe Caroll lost 4, for what it's worth.

Both are great coaches and any team would be lucky to have either. Carolls enthusiasm, IMO, is second to none, and I'd much rather see that kind of coaching, but Saban's results and his consistency are hard to argue with.

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I love how people keep bringing up the NFL too. As if being hc at Alabama isn't stressful at all.

(Posted on 12/18/14 at 3:47 pm to SummerOfGeorge)
"I haven't read through the thread so I'm sure this has been brought up but two things: Pete cheated, Saban hasn't."


To be fair Saban coaches in a neutered era of the NCAA. He has had multiple things occur on his watch which earlier in the 2000's would have been more serious and caused the NCAA to look harder at the school. The biggest difference in the NCAA is they now try "not" to find stuff, they at one time didn't leave until they had something to show the world.

Heck a coach paid a player and the response was penalizing the player a few games. Ironically it was hammering USC that reminded the NCAA that it affects their bottom line when the cash cows aren't producing.

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They excel at different things but the end result is the same

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Idk man. I won't even make a case for Saban being a better football coach, because he might not be.

But if you get to pick one of them to coach any program in the country for 10 years and want as many NCs as possible, I find it extremely hard to pick Carroll over Saban. I think there's a very good chance Saban would deliver more NCs.

P.S.....if he loses out on a NC birth in the last second of the season and plays a top 10 team in the bowl....DON'T GO!

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Also...if you are going to throw in vacated wins for Saban, might as well throw in vacated wins for Carroll. Pete Carroll finished at USC with an "official" record of 83-19.

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Carroll's official record was 83-18.

I wish you'd been here last night. Some Tennessee fan was trying use the CFDW as a credible source.

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It would be interesting to see a breakdown of the teams Pete lost to ranked in the top 10. At least half of Saban's losses were to teams who finished undefeated and/or won or played for the BCS title.

2007 LSU 12-2 BCS champ
2008 Florida 13-1 BCS champ
2008 Utah 13-0 final ranking #2
2010 Auburn 14-0 BCS champ
2011 LSU 13-1 BCS runner up, final ranking #2
2013 Auburn 12-2, BCS runner up, final ranking #2

Others of note:
2007 Georgia 11-2, final ranking #3
2012 Texas A&M 11-2, final ranking #5

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I think highly of CPC but a lot of his high profile wins were over teams that were paper tigers.

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For their "recognized" national titles. I was trying to explain that it's just 1 site ran by 1 or 2 people.

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Well, that's bad. That part is just one man's opinion and it's a somewhat uninformed opinion as well, IMO.

He slipped up when he said "recognized" titles, unless he meant to be deceptive. By "recognized", he meant that he recognized them, which means pretty little in the whole scheme of things.

If it was a Tennessee fans, he was probably trying to justify Tennessee's titles because that site had them as "recognized", which is backwards because the site recognized most of them because Tennessee does.

Carroll is easily the answer if you look at the whole picture. If you pretend the NFL doesn't exist, maybe Saban by a nose.

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Carroll is easily the answer if you look at the whole picture. If you pretend the NFL doesn't exist, maybe Saban by a nose.

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