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re: Only Need SIX teams in to crown a true champ, not 8

Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:15 am to
Posted by coachcrisp
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:15 am to
Who was the best team that year?...the Giants or the Patriots? The NFL playoffs are designed to make $$$$, not champions.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:16 am to
The Raiders
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:19 am to
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That actually supports the argument that there are too many teams. Giants didn't deserve the shot, like 5 or 6 other NFL teams that year.


No it doesn't. That's completely subjective. An argument can be made both ways. But suggesting that you can't be "best" because of a disparity between comparative wins and losses is simply false.

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If you want a tournament then call it a tournament and crown a tournament champion like college basketball. It's a joke that they call the winner a national champ.


I want a 6 team playoff. If you want to call that a tournament and compare it to March Madness then go ahead I guess.

Often times in college football, none of the top 6 teams have more than 1 loss. So your argument doesn't add up by suggesting that there are 3 loss teams galore getting in by moving it to 6.

College football has LOTS of inequities and impossible to accurately assess transitive factors. A six team playoff that grants a bye to the 1 and 2 seeds is pretty fricking reasonable. For the 1 and 2 seeds, it changes nothing from the current system as far as their path to the title.
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:20 am to
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Who was the best team that year?...the Giants or the Patriots? The NFL playoffs are designed to make $$$$, not champions.


I love when people say this.

The Patriots should have been given the Super Bowl because they were the regular season champs on paper.

Posted by nc14
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:22 am to
The injustice this year is discerning who #2 is right now. I wasn't for 4 and primarily for just the reason you are arguing. It opens the door for adding more undeserving teams into a playoff system.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:23 am to
If you don't think that the NFL includes too many teams into the playoffs then I don't know how to help you but I can say that it is no reason to ruin college football.
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:26 am to
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If you don't think that the NFL includes too many teams into the playoffs then I don't know how to help you but I can say that it is no reason to ruin college football.


I didn't say anything about whether I thought the NFL playoff system has too many teams or not. I did specifically mention why having a 6 team playoff makes sense for the college game though.
Posted by General13
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:27 am to
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Kind of like when the NY Giants won the Super Bowl with a 10-6 regular season record? Yeah, they sucked compared to the undefeated

So you want to make college football like the nfl. Gotcha

If CFP is expanded it will take away from OOC games and regular season influence. The playoff in place works. However, I see the commissioners asking for the conference champion auto bid lobbying at work already. The Big12 and Pac!2 are missing out on money again this year. Big10 wants 2 in. Greed will kill CFB
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:27 am to
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The injustice this year is discerning who #2 is right now. I wasn't for 4 and primarily for just the reason you are arguing. It opens the door for adding more undeserving teams into a playoff system.


How does this matter at all for the 1 and 2 seed who play the same number of games as they would in a 4 team playoff, and perhaps against even weaker competition according to your complaint?
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:29 am to
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So you want to make college football like the nfl. Gotcha


The reading comprehension with you Gumps is just, well, not the best.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:29 am to
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If you don't think that the NFL includes too many teams into the playoffs then I don't know how to help you but I can say that it is no reason to ruin college football.


Herein lies the problem, NC. Money will eventually ruin college football as it does with any sport that becomes a business......hell, and I'm a Republican!
This post was edited on 11/16/16 at 7:30 am
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:35 am to
In law that's called leading the witness. You were pretty obvious but stay naïve, you wear it well.
Posted by Dr_Tim_Whatley
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:37 am to
6 teams keeps a high value on every game in the regular season bc each loss is almost an elimination from getting a bye as well.

6 is the right number.

They should just cut down the regular season to 11 games with everyone ditching one of their FCS cupcake games. AD's wouldn't like losing revenue from one less home game, which is probably why it won't happen tho.
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:42 am to
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In law that's called leading the witness. You were pretty obvious but stay naïve, you wear it well.





I specified earlier why I liked the idea of 6 and how college football structurally differs from the NFL. Not one of you acknowledged that, one suggested I wanted a college basketball style tournament, and now several of you interpreted it as meaning I want an NFL style playoff.

So what's all of that called in law?
Posted by coachcrisp
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Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:42 am to
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They should just cut down the regular season to 11 games with everyone ditching one of their FCS cupcake games. AD's wouldn't like losing revenue from one less home game, which is probably why it won't happen tho.

There is literally NO chance of that happening...we're talking about $$$ here!
Posted by General13
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:45 am to
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The reading comprehension with you Gumps is just, well, not the best.

My reading comprehension is better than your assumptions.
Posted by General13
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:52 am to
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6 teams keeps a high value on every game in the regular season bc each loss is almost an elimination from getting a bye as well. 6 is the right number. They should just cut down the regular season to 11 games with everyone ditching one of their FCS cupcake games. AD's wouldn't like losing revenue from one less home game, which is probably why it won't happen tho.

This makes the most sense but...

In doing so, you've just taken away millions in revenue per year to Fcs and non P5 teams. Plus, P5 teams home game revenue. Which,depending on the venue, ranges widely but also millions.

That's why it will never happen. By trading that playoff game for a regular season full day of CFB; millions in revenue for 120 plus teams just got whacked.

Sorry on iPhone. That looks terribly typed. Hope it makes sense
Posted by bona fide
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:56 am to
Everybody wants to expand the playoffs. This year less teams are needed but still people say the opposite.

Bama is clearly above all other teams, yet lesser teams are going to be allowed a chance at the title.

Regular season continues to lose importance.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 8:08 am to
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1,2 get byes and don't have to play until New Year's Eve

Nope.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 8:11 am to
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So what's all of that called in law?


A dumb move that opens a line of questioning that would otherwise be inadmissible. Keep digging, China isn't that far off.
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