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re: "One and done is killing college basketball"
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:29 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:29 pm to Henry Jones Jr
This is an NBA problem, not an NCAA problem. NBA needs to insist kids stay in school at least 2 seasons.
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Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:29 pm to Henry Jones Jr
How could having these guys stick around for 3 years hurt the game? It'd spread the wealth of players to other teams and also give these guys an opportunity to earn a degree (or get close to it). I think an arbitrary 1 year requirement is ridiculous.
I'm pro-choice when it comes to this. You either require a college degree to enter your profession or you don't. If you don't, then why the hell does a guy need to play for 1, 2, or 3 seasons (at a college) if the team that wants to employ him thinks he's ready? Why can't he go to a D-league to get experience and get paid at the same time? Why college?
I'm pro-choice when it comes to this. You either require a college degree to enter your profession or you don't. If you don't, then why the hell does a guy need to play for 1, 2, or 3 seasons (at a college) if the team that wants to employ him thinks he's ready? Why can't he go to a D-league to get experience and get paid at the same time? Why college?
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:29 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Or they go wait and sit on the bench because they have to stay 3 years anyways.
So many different ways it could play out.
But Duke in the 90s is a prime example of what I'm talking about.
So many different ways it could play out.
But Duke in the 90s is a prime example of what I'm talking about.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:29 pm to cas4t
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Can you imagine how good UK would be every year if John Wall, Davis, Etc had to stay 3 years?! Seriously. People complain but the same coache would get the same kids. They'd just dominate for years in a row like Duke in the 90s
They'd dominate like UCLA from 1967-1973. Kentucky very well would have broken their 88 game winning streak.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:30 pm to Pavoloco83
Why? A lot of the best players in the NBA came to the league early. Why would they want kids to have to wait? It's not football where you have to drastically develop physically.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:32 pm to I-59 Tiger
UCLA is a great example.
Now, next year UK will be human.
That's good for everyone else.
Now, next year UK will be human.
That's good for everyone else.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:33 pm to gamemc
He doesn't have to play in college for 1 year. Just 1 year removed from HS. But I see your point.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:33 pm to cas4t
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A lot of the best players in the NBA came to the league early.
How many wash out though?
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It football here you have to drastically develop physically
I think these young guys need to develop more skill instead of physically. The reason so many wash out is because they never develop. They go to the NBA and it doesn't give a frick if you develop or not because its on to the next one.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:37 pm to boogiewoogie1978
When it comes down to it the most successful period of the NBA was early 80s to 2000.
That same time period is probably the most successful period of the college game. IMHO
There has to be some correlation.
That same time period is probably the most successful period of the college game. IMHO
There has to be some correlation.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:37 pm to cas4t
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Can you imagine how good UK would be every year if John Wall, Davis, Etc had to stay 3 years?! Seriously. People complain but the same coache would get the same kids. They'd just dominate for years in a row like Duke in the 90s.
That wound not actually happen since you can bet that if, heck, say this year, All but one of UK's guys announced their intention to return, a lot of their incoming class would decommit. Same would have happened each of the years previous.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:38 pm to Lordofwrath88
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All but one of UK's guys announced their intention to return, a lot of their incoming class would decommit.
Wouldn't be a big deal though if they had everyone coming back
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:39 pm to boogiewoogie1978
I'm sure there as many young guys who wash out as guys who played multiple years in college. Hell, Laetner was pretty bad in the NBA in comparison to his college career.
But Kobe, Garnett, Dwight, Amare, Wall, Davis, etc are all examples that it can be done.
Not to mention you get the best skill training in the NBA. Kobe had a quote regarding that where he said something along the lines of "I wanted to be the best. To be the best I needed to train with the best."
But Kobe, Garnett, Dwight, Amare, Wall, Davis, etc are all examples that it can be done.
Not to mention you get the best skill training in the NBA. Kobe had a quote regarding that where he said something along the lines of "I wanted to be the best. To be the best I needed to train with the best."
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:42 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Wouldn't be a big deal though if they had everyone coming back
EXACTLY.... everybody wins.
Just saying you wouldn't have a team of Anthony Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, Teague, Cauley-Stein, Noel, Jones, Randle, Towns, Lyles and the Harrisons.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:42 pm to Lordofwrath88
History has just shown that that's not true. Look at Duke, UCLA etc
Hell look at football. Alabama doesn't skip a beat. Ohio state has guys who will be in the NFL waiting their turn. Kids want to go play for the best programs. Just because you have to sit for a year to play at UK doesn't mean that kid is gonna go play at Clemson. Y'all underestimate these blue blood coaches recruiting abilities
Hell look at football. Alabama doesn't skip a beat. Ohio state has guys who will be in the NFL waiting their turn. Kids want to go play for the best programs. Just because you have to sit for a year to play at UK doesn't mean that kid is gonna go play at Clemson. Y'all underestimate these blue blood coaches recruiting abilities
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:46 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I'm sure Duke fans are happy with the results it brought for them this season by embracing some one and done guys.
One OAD guy this year, sorry that Justice and probably Tyus improved enough to go into the draft their first year, Cal wouldn't know anything about that.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:49 pm to cas4t
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History has just shown that that's not true. Look at Duke, UCLA etc
no it hasn't. UCLA had two of the best of all time and the greatest coach in arguably any sport.
If you want to run a parallel of Alabama recruiting to Kentucky, then it would be Alabama and five other schools who don't take up a third of the top50 or even half... but 80% and pumping them into the NFL the very next year.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:52 pm to Sellecks Moustache
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One OAD guy this this, sorry that Justice and possibly Tyus improved enough to go into the draft their first year, Cal wouldn't know anything about that.
That's kind of a dumb thing to say. All three were top 15 guys last year, with Jones a top 10 guy. Considering there will probably be at least 10 freshmen declaring (if not more), it didn't take that much improvement for them to have the chance to be 1-and-done. By that logic, Calipari worked wonders with Devin Booker, who was well below any of the Duke guys in the rankings and is going to be probably a mid-first rounder. The reality, whether you want to admit it or not, is that these guys were plenty skilled enough for the NBA before they ever got to Duke or UK, then were fortunate enough to be put in a position to show those skills off. Not much development is occurring in that short a period of time.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:01 pm to BluegrassBelle
Every time LSU builds momentum as a program, the young guys bolt. And even more so, you completely expect them to leave, so you never take the time to emotionally invest in them, because you know they can never get guys to stay long enough to have a team worth caring about.
I understand that it is a UK thing, but I'd rather see a team with a veteran roster playing another team with a veteran roster, and know who is who and who hates who, and who chokes on the line, and who throws elbows, and who gets rattled if you make up a clever chant. It's not just MY team, it's my interest in YOUR team that is diminished.
I understand that it is a UK thing, but I'd rather see a team with a veteran roster playing another team with a veteran roster, and know who is who and who hates who, and who chokes on the line, and who throws elbows, and who gets rattled if you make up a clever chant. It's not just MY team, it's my interest in YOUR team that is diminished.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:05 pm to Lsupimp
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Every time LSU builds momentum as a program, the young guys bolt. And even more so, you completely expect them to leave, so you never take the time to emotionally invest in them, because you know they can never get guys to stay long enough to have a team worth caring about.
When has LSU not had by majority a veteran team because of the one and done rule? Not because of coaching changes or transfers but solely because of the one and done rule?
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It's not just MY team, it's my interest in YOUR team that is diminished.
So you don't attend LSU basketball games because of UK.
Do you really not see the poor logic in this?
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:08 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Yeah, I think it hurts the NBA more than it does college BB. And it really doesn't hurt the NBA very much at all.
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