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re: "One and done is killing college basketball"
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:04 pm to WorkinDawg
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:04 pm to WorkinDawg
This season has been the exception for Wisconsin. Generally everyone who likes college basketball HATES Bo Ryan's grind it out, least amount of possessions basketball and that's why a lot of people have called for a shorter shot clock.
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Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:05 pm to yellowhammer2098
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Yes.. The one championship.
One national championship in 3 years. Yeah the One and Done hasn't done anything for UK. And it didn't do anything for Duke this year or UConn last year
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:08 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Don't think it is killing it, but I will say that I'm not a fan of it and think we should have the baseball rule.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:09 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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UConn last year
UConn had a ton of experience, I don't think they had any one-and-done players on that team. Napier was a senior, Boatwright a junior.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:13 pm to bgator85
Could have sworn Napier was a one and done. Oh well. Still the One and Done works.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
You guys are basketball-oriented obviously and will take offense at anything I say that criticizes the game. But a basketball PROGRAM (as opposed to a basketball team) used to have a more discernable and enjoyable character over a period of years. It was fun watching a freshman class develop over time and develop chemistry. And the game was SO much better with an experienced team that filled holes every year instead of replaced an entire team.
Take the 1985/1986 UK team with Harden, Walker, Blackmon and Bennett -that's a LOT of chemistry playing against an entire league laden with experienced teams with one or two young superstars. I just miss that level of play, and really getting to know a teams players and tendencies over a period of years. Not to mention the rivalries that grow over 3/4 years. It's just not the same for me.
Take the 1985/1986 UK team with Harden, Walker, Blackmon and Bennett -that's a LOT of chemistry playing against an entire league laden with experienced teams with one or two young superstars. I just miss that level of play, and really getting to know a teams players and tendencies over a period of years. Not to mention the rivalries that grow over 3/4 years. It's just not the same for me.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:17 pm to Lsupimp
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But a basketball PROGRAM (as opposed to a basketball team) used to have a more discernable and enjoyable character over a period of years
Agree with this completely. Last year we graduated a senior class of four that went to 3 Elite 8's and a Final Four. Watching those guys grow with the program is part of what makes college athletics great.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:17 pm to Lsupimp
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And the game was SO much better with an experienced team that filled holes every year instead of replaced an entire team.
So once again, how does this feed into your 9 year boycott of LSU basketball? It hasn't been until the last 4-5 years that players have been one and done with any consistency and it certainly hasn't been at LSU.
If what Kentucky does bothers you so much that you can watch LSU games anymore that speaks more about you as a fan then about any one and done rule.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:18 pm to bgator85
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Agree with this completely. Last year we graduated a senior class of four that went to 3 Elite 8's and a Final Four. Watching those guys grow with the program is part of what makes college athletics great.
But what Kentucky is doing hasn't kept you from following Florida games. That's what he's saying. He hasn't been to an LSU game in 9 years solely because of the one and done rule.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:20 pm to LSU Patrick
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I don't watch the NBA, so it sucks for me. I have never enjoyed professional basketball.
Why post in this thread
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:21 pm to BuckeyeFan87
One and done's are killing anything, but it certainly is not helping. I'd say it is hurting, but there are multiple other factors that are hurting college basketball much more.
1. TV Timeouts-The stupidest thing ever created. Is it a basketball game, or an advertisement contest?
2. Reffing- Impossible to have consistency, but need to revise some rules...IE going strait up and having someone run into you is not a foul.
One and dones are a detriment. For the players themselves, alot of them are not ready for the next level. They go to europe or flame out, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but if they had stayed and developed, they might actually become NBA caliber players.
Continuity. For the fans, it is a huge deal. Christian Laettner was hated because he kept coming back and winning. Fans love something to hate. He also graduated from Duke, making him an alum. I realize some of these players are good, but they get recognition based upon a school that they barely attended. I went to Yale for a summer camp once, doesn't mean I get to attach Yale like I graduated from there.
Spread the wealth- Imagine a world where Devin Booker came to Mizzou, Trey Lyles goes to Georgia, and KAT heads to Florida. It would up the overall game of college basketball and the SEC in general. Imagine even further if they stayed for 3 or 4 seasons. The amount of talent would be ridiculous. Imagine if Bill Gates gave even half of his money to 100 strangers. Sure, some of the money would go to waste, but overall, likely more peoples lives would be improved.
kU might be mizzou's rival, but the stories from players make the difference. I remember matchups with Nick Collison and Kirk Hinrich year after year. Sure they won on most occasions, but that is what it is all about. School and state pride. That is what college basketball is truly about. Not just the NCAA tournament.
1. TV Timeouts-The stupidest thing ever created. Is it a basketball game, or an advertisement contest?
2. Reffing- Impossible to have consistency, but need to revise some rules...IE going strait up and having someone run into you is not a foul.
One and dones are a detriment. For the players themselves, alot of them are not ready for the next level. They go to europe or flame out, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but if they had stayed and developed, they might actually become NBA caliber players.
Continuity. For the fans, it is a huge deal. Christian Laettner was hated because he kept coming back and winning. Fans love something to hate. He also graduated from Duke, making him an alum. I realize some of these players are good, but they get recognition based upon a school that they barely attended. I went to Yale for a summer camp once, doesn't mean I get to attach Yale like I graduated from there.
Spread the wealth- Imagine a world where Devin Booker came to Mizzou, Trey Lyles goes to Georgia, and KAT heads to Florida. It would up the overall game of college basketball and the SEC in general. Imagine even further if they stayed for 3 or 4 seasons. The amount of talent would be ridiculous. Imagine if Bill Gates gave even half of his money to 100 strangers. Sure, some of the money would go to waste, but overall, likely more peoples lives would be improved.
kU might be mizzou's rival, but the stories from players make the difference. I remember matchups with Nick Collison and Kirk Hinrich year after year. Sure they won on most occasions, but that is what it is all about. School and state pride. That is what college basketball is truly about. Not just the NCAA tournament.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:22 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Generally everyone who likes college basketball HATES Bo Ryan's grind it out, least amount of possessions basketball and that's why a lot of people have called for a shorter shot clock.
Their style is okay as its sort of different. Now their "flopping" and Ryan himself are a different story.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:23 pm to BluegrassBelle
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But what Kentucky is doing hasn't kept you from following Florida games. That's what he's saying. He hasn't been to an LSU game in 9 years solely because of the one and done rule
Ok, well I don't agree with that part, I haven't read this whole thread
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:24 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Their style is okay as its sort of different. Now their "flopping" and Ryan himself are a different story.
The style was fun to watch this season because of the roster he had with Kaminsky and Dekker.
Rewind to when they played Ole Miss two years ago in the tournament and it was absolutely awful if you don't have developed guys who can hit a shot.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:25 pm to bgator85
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But a basketball PROGRAM (as opposed to a basketball team) used to have a more discernable and enjoyable character over a period of years
Agree. Just look at the game in 91 with Duke and UNLV. It was a great game because UNLV had crushed them the year before and it was an actual REMATCH that year between 2 great teams.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:25 pm to casublett1
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Basically, it's spreading the wealth of 5 and 4-star players amongst other programs.
Literally the opposite is true.
One-and-Dones only commit to those 2 or 3 teams because they know while they could start anywhere in the country with enough work, at those programs, the turn over is immediate and the starting jobs are automatic.
If one-and-done caliber players had to stay put for more than a semester, elite recruits would still commit to the blue bloods, but a good deal more would look at the other programs and forge their own trail.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:25 pm to yellowhammer2098
Can you imagine how good UK would be every year if John Wall, Davis, Etc had to stay 3 years?!
Seriously. People complain but the same coache would get the same kids. They'd just dominate for years in a row like Duke in the 90s.
Seriously. People complain but the same coache would get the same kids. They'd just dominate for years in a row like Duke in the 90s.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:27 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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One national championship in 3 years. Yeah the One and Done hasn't done anything for UK. And it didn't do anything for Duke this year or UConn last year
I'm more so just playing Devil's advocate in this thread. Cal has actually grown a lot on me this year.
I'm fine with one and dones but when you lose 7 players in one year it is hard to argue that it is good for the game. Coach Cal himself is opposed to the one and done rule. He does it because it wins games, not because it is good for the game.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:27 pm to Lordofwrath88
If you think kids wouldn't still go play for Cal, K, Izzo, etc then idk what to tell you. They've historically recruited very well. Not sure why that would change.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:27 pm to cas4t
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Seriously. People complain but the same coache would get the same kids.
Not really. Great players will want to go to schools and play early. They won't go where they will be on the bench.
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