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re: Northwestern Football players form a Union, who does so first in the SEC?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:13 am to CaptainBrannigan
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:13 am to CaptainBrannigan
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No one cares you played at a Division 3 school.
TCU isn't division 3
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:14 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Well said
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Austin, TX
Of course
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:16 am to CockInYourEar
Texas is an at-will State, so....I don't know how that translates to a player's union.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:17 am to Tiguar
I am thinking Northwestern is eventually going to drop football or move to a different conference. We will end up with about 30-50 teams in Division 1A or whatever they call it now. The money programs will be the only ones who can keep pace and will stack their rosters.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:18 am to jvilletiger25
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No football, no millions of dollars coming in to the universities.
Get a job if you don't want the risks of getting a free education. it's that simple.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:21 am to Person of interest
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So by that logic you don't buy goods or receive services from union shops?
There's a difference in my purchasing a good or service, and a game. College players aren't dependent on football for a livelihood. If they want it to be a job, go to the Arena football league, or the Canadian football league or try the NFL out of high school.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:22 am to bigDgator
I think I'd be in favor of that. If we were to change the rules so that only the top division paid their football players, and narrowed it down to like 50 or 60 teams, and those schools all had plenty of money, then that would be cool. But some of the liberal folks on here don't get that there's not enough money to pay every athlete at every school at every level. 
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:22 am to bigDgator
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I am thinking Northwestern is eventually going to drop football or move to a different conference. We will end up with about 30-50 teams in Division 1A or whatever they call it now. The money programs will be the only ones who can keep pace and will stack their rosters.
I just don't see it. If I'm a coach at a money school - I use up every last bit of that kid, and then throw him away. If I've got to pay him for the rest of his life, he's leaving in a wheel chair.
I think the studs would opt for the safer path to the NFL.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:28 am to blacknblu
No just like anyone in the workplace there will be plenty of protection from employers abusing the employees.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:29 am to scrooster
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scrooster
Northwestern Football players form a Union, who does so first in the SEC?
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Northwestern Football players form a Union, who does so first in the SEC?
I hate fricking yankees. No doubt the mizzerites are meeting in the chow hall right about now listening to some migrant cabbage cutter explain to them why they need the mizzerites to break through in the SEC.
frick I hate yankees.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:29 am to UsingUpAllTheLetters
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But some of the liberal folks on here
That is how the mud slinging starts. yeah if you don't agree with the status quo of ripping off the students you must be liberal.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:30 am to Mulat
It really doesn't matter to me. UF can pay. Miami will be DII.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:39 am to Alahunter
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Get a job if you don't want the risks of getting a free education. it's that simple.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:57 am to jvilletiger25
I wonder if there are tax implications for the players if they are in a union. Will the scholarships, food, medical care all become taxable...very possible
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:49 pm to ElysianArmsAlum
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I wonder if there are tax implications for the players if they are in a union. Will the scholarships, food, medical care all become taxable...very possible
That's one of the places the universities who don't want to do this will start, it's all part of them finding out what is the total compensation/value they are really giving the athletes.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:51 pm to brucevilanch
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Missouri....liberal
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:52 pm to Mulat
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That is how the mud slinging starts. yeah if you don't agree with the status quo of ripping off the students you must be liberal.
WTF?!?! Are you serious? Unions are one of the most liberal ideas in existence, not because liberal is considered by some to be a negative term by some, but liberal and conservative are opposite ideologies. A Union is a very fricking liberal idea. I challenge you to connect how a union is a conservative or capitalist idea.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:06 pm to CockInYourEar
"This union-backed attempt to turn student-athletes into employees undermines the purpose of college: an education," NCAA Chief Legal Officer Donald Remy said. "Student-athletes are not employees, and their participation in college sports is voluntary. We stand for all student-athletes, not just those the unions want to professionalize.
"Many student athletes are provided scholarships and many other benefits for their participation. There is no employment relationship between the NCAA, its affiliated institutions or student-athletes.
"Student-athletes are not employees within any definition of the National Labor Relations Act or the Fair Labor Standards Act. We are confident the National Labor Relations Board will find in our favor, as there is no right to organize student-athletes."
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"Many student athletes are provided scholarships and many other benefits for their participation. There is no employment relationship between the NCAA, its affiliated institutions or student-athletes.
"Student-athletes are not employees within any definition of the National Labor Relations Act or the Fair Labor Standards Act. We are confident the National Labor Relations Board will find in our favor, as there is no right to organize student-athletes."
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:10 pm to Pigfeet
From the article Pigfeet quoted
BOLD FACED frickING LIE!
When is it not about money in college athletics or any union for any industry ever?
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“A lot of people will think this is all about money; it’s not,” Colter told Teddy Greenstein of the Tribune. “Everything now is in the hands of the lawyers. We’re not expecting a decision to be made right away. It might take a year or two or go all the way to the Supreme Court.”
BOLD FACED frickING LIE!
When is it not about money in college athletics or any union for any industry ever?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 1:44 pm to ElysianArmsAlum
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I wonder if there are tax implications for the players if they are in a union. Will the scholarships, food, medical care all become taxable...very possible
Wow, I hadn't ever thought about the tax issue that would arise from NCAA athletics becoming pro or semi-pro. As for the total compensation, I know for four years at Auburn as an out of state student, my tuition bill alone (if I wasn't on scholarship) would be right at or a little over $100,000. The school estimates a total cost of attendance at around $40,000 for an out of state student, but that has some things like travel to and from home that the school doesn't pay for already. So, assuming they estimated costs correctly and that they would require student-athletes to be especially economic, the total compensation for an out of state would be at least $35,000 a year. Over 4 years, that becomes $140,000.
And yes, I would imagine that all of that would be taxable compensation since the union would make them employees. However, and I'm really curious about this, how would the NCAA react if these players do form an union? The NCAA isn't a government organization, so I'm not sure they have to even recognize the union. Could they just declare the entire team ineligible?
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