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re: Nick Saban: "Jonathan Taylor did everything we asked him to do"
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:04 am to TTsTowel
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:04 am to TTsTowel
Thank God Taylor is gone. 2 DUIs should get Geno the axe, as well. Pretty fricking disappointed in the past week.
Believe it or not, a portion of the Bama fanbase do not worship the ground Saban walks on, myself included. He deserves to be chastised for the actions of giving JT a "2nd chance." Few things warrant zero tolerance, and domestic violence and putting your hands on a woman like that is definitely one of them.
Believe it or not, a portion of the Bama fanbase do not worship the ground Saban walks on, myself included. He deserves to be chastised for the actions of giving JT a "2nd chance." Few things warrant zero tolerance, and domestic violence and putting your hands on a woman like that is definitely one of them.
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:04 am to Tuscaloosa
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The outrage would be understood if there were serious injuries involved or a Ray Rice type situation. There weren't, and it wasn't.
Taylor's incident at UGA actually sounds like a Rice type situation.
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This is all just a bunch of posturing from people who are looking for any reason they can to criticize Nick Saban.
It's not posturing. Saban played with fire when he brought Taylor in. Now, he got burned.
I don't think Saban is a bad guy, but he made a bad decision in this case. That much is clear.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:05 am to Tuscaloosa
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This is all just a bunch of posturing from people who are looking for any reason they can to criticize Nick Saban.
I think it is fine how he handled it although he did miss a perfect opportunity to stop special interest groups from jumping on this. Would I have wanted my coach to say "we screwed up in properly evaluating this man"? Yes. Do I care what a coach at another university says? No, unless it brings us more commercials of players crying.
ETA: domestic violence is a horrible problem but there are better ways to deal with it than special interest commercials.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 9:08 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:05 am to Tuscaloosa
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The hypersensitivity to domestic violence in the shadows of the Ray Rice situation is to blame, I believe. It's just really unfortunate all around.
Jesus
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:07 am to bbeck
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He deserves to be chastised for the actions of giving JT a "2nd chance." Few things warrant zero tolerance, and domestic violence and putting your hands on a woman like that is definitely one of them.
One of the most short-sighted, unfortunate things I've read and continue to read by Bama fans trying to portray themselves as some hero trying to right a wrong that's been done.
As a part of being accepted into the University of Alabama, Taylor was made to undergo psychiatric therapy, anger management therapy, and other things... In addition to being a part of an extremely structured environment that is Alabama football in general.
Would he have received those things had he just been out on the streets?
People like Taylor are the very ones who need those 2nd chances the most, IMO. Accountability, treatment, and structure.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:08 am to Crowknowsbest
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I don't think Saban is a bad guy, but he made a bad decision in this case. That much is clear.
Maybe a bad decision to waste a scholarship, if that's the way you want to view it.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:08 am to Tuscaloosa
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What would that have accomplished?
Is that going to hurt us in recruiting?
Has anything else been hurt? Is the football program going to be harmed because of this?
It could hurt recruiting (but not a lot). Other schools will say Saban is soft on DV. Win at all cost, doesn't care about your daughters and sisters.
Yes the football program has been hurt by this. Not a big deal but I would not dismiss it as nothing. You lost a scholarship that could have gone to a contributing player. You lost the moral high ground. Saban more clearly exposed himself to the media as a demigod. Bama will continue to be good, but this shows the win at all cost mentality of the program.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:10 am to allin2010
I think most players that Saban recruits are pro DV like Tuscaloosa.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 9:11 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:11 am to Tuscaloosa
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quote: I don't think Saban is a bad guy, but he made a bad decision in this case. That much is clear. Maybe a bad decision to waste a scholarship, if that's the way you want to view it.
So he made a good decision?????? Would you want him to take the same risk again with a DV offender? Do you mind his soft stance on drugs?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:12 am to Tuscaloosa
Stop being so sensitive. I wasn't the one beating a woman.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:13 am to Tuscaloosa
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One of the most short-sighted, unfortunate things I've read and continue to read by Bama fans trying to portray themselves as some hero trying to right a wrong that's been done.
As a part of being accepted into the University of Alabama, Taylor was made to undergo psychiatric therapy, anger management therapy, and other things... In addition to being a part of an extremely structured environment that is Alabama football in general.
Would he have received those things had he just been out on the streets?
People like Taylor are the very ones who need those 2nd chances the most, IMO. Accountability, treatment, and structure.
This is also considered enablement. Hitting rock bottom is important. This may still not be rock bottom for him to realize that he has a big problem. Many others have been able to change their ways, but catching a violent criminal while he is falling to dust him off and say "hey let me help you" is not always the best approach to help someone. Feeling the pain of consequences is a wonderful treatment.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:13 am to allin2010
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So he made a good decision?????? Would you want him to take the same risk again with a DV offender? Do you mind his soft stance on drugs?
What about it affects anyone else?
Why do you care about who Nick Saban allows on his team? How do you know the reasoning behind it?
People continue to brush over and ignore the fact that Taylor was forced to receive anger management counseling and psychiatric therapy as a result of being a part of the team.
There's some major hypersensitivity to DV right now.
We had a player selling cocaine in the damn parking lot of the athletic facilities that received less media attention than this - because a girl had "minor injuries to her neck".
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 9:15 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:15 am to Tuscaloosa
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Domestic Violence isn't any worse than any other crime that gets committed.
I am glad we finally had someone brave enough to defend strangling women.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 9:16 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:17 am to Tuscaloosa
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Domestic Violence isn't any worse than any other crime that gets committed.
Wow. For one thing, it's violence. Not exactly a speeding ticket.
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We had a player selling cocaine in the damn parking lot of the athletic facilities that received less media attention than this - because a girl had "minor injuries to her neck".
You're totally missing the point. The extent of her injuries aren't as significant as the fact that she had injuries at all after Taylor had already injured a woman more seriously in Athens.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:17 am to Tuscaloosa
To most Bama fans, I applaud you for your position and agreement that it was a mistake and that DV players should not be accepted at a prestige program like Alabama.
To Tuscaloosa and a couple of other, you guys are blinded by the win at all cost mentality. Maybe you actually think DV is Ok, whatever the reason I pray this never happens to someone you know
To Tuscaloosa and a couple of other, you guys are blinded by the win at all cost mentality. Maybe you actually think DV is Ok, whatever the reason I pray this never happens to someone you know
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:17 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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I am glad we finally had someone brave enough to defend strangling women.
Link to where I defended anything?
In 2008, we had a player who was in the middle of a drug sting because he was selling cocaine to police officers out of the athletic department's parking lot.
Tell me why this situation is worse.
Go ahead.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:18 am to Tuscaloosa
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People like Taylor are the very ones who need those 2nd chances the most, IMO. Accountability, treatment, and structure.
I wouldn't disagree. However, no one really believes that Saban wanted Taylor so he could give him therapy and turn him into a model citizen. He took a chance on a risky player because he thought Taylor would help Alabama win, and it blew up in his face.
Whether or not you think the climate in football surrounding domestic violence is "hypersensitive" (as you put it in your post earlier), most of the people around the sport take it very seriously and for Saban to get caught up in the middle of it and not take accountability just shows extremely poor judgment. Even when given the chance to apologize and own up to making a bad decision, he mangled it.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:19 am to Tuscaloosa
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Tell me why this situation is worse.
Because he hurt someone, twice.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:19 am to Tuscaloosa
You are doing a great job and not coming off as a scumbag.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:19 am to allin2010
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To Tuscaloosa and a couple of other, you guys are blinded by the win at all cost mentality. Maybe you actually think DV is Ok, whatever the reason I pray this never happens to someone you know
Holy shite.
How have you gotten anything remotely close to that out of anything I've said.
All I'm saying is that Nick Saban shouldn't be painted as some sort of villain for the actions of Jonathan Taylor.
I haven't condoned anything or remotely suggested that DV is okay.
I do think that there is currently some hypersensitivity to DV - which is leading to the witch hunt of Saban. Finebaum stated as much yesterday.
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