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Posted on 7/8/17 at 8:19 am to Roaad
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None of the above RB's had the benefit of an overwhelming offensive line
Neither did Derrick Henry. To pretend otherwise is willful ignorance.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 8:22 am to jangalang
quote:Every day thing for me, baw.
The only job I've ever quit without a two weeks notice was doing security at a hospital when I was 18 for a part time job. Whether it was senility and always trying to get out of bed to go to work as an elderly gentleman, or chemical reactions such as the body isn't filtering ammonia out of the body causing massive amounts of confusion, or patients going through drug overdoses/ withdrawels, I was always praying for the nurses to bring the cocktail shots.
The job made my arse quit!! And to this day, I have a tremendous respect for those with the patience to work in mental health.
I'll be crazy before long.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 8:30 am to Ted2010
My grandmother could have run behind those roided-up beasts on Alabama's line the year Henry got all those yards.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 8:39 am to Roaad
That list is absolute dog shite. Not even going to break it down for you. It must be a joke or a troll.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 8:51 am to Sid E Walker
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291 yards still stings, eh?
Nope - his explosiveness was better, power, speed, vision.
I think his best year was when he had a shitty coach and dealt with ankle issues. You put him on LSU teams and Bama teams in the last 10 years he owns every SEC record.
Guice, though smaller, runs a lot like him.
As more of a NFL fan back then, you can't deny what he did once he was healthy. Kevin Faulk didn't have his career and he was a productive back.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 9:22 am to TailbackU
That 2015 OL was NOT good that year. 108th in the nation in TFLs given up per game. Featured one All-American. The other All-SEC guy was Cam Robinson who is overrated and sure as hell didn't deserve the all-SEC honors. So please tell me how a an OL with only one really good player is anywhere close to elite?
Posted on 7/8/17 at 9:23 am to Tiger1988
You think Shaun Alexander had better "explosiveness, power, and speed" than Derrick Henry?
Posted on 7/8/17 at 9:33 am to Ted2010
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That guy loves to troll & be an arse. But is so thin skinned when he gets it in return.
And that's why nobody takes him seriously.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 10:08 am to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:why did you leave out vision? Explosiveness is how hard you hit it when you hit it. And yes he ran through tackles. Henry used his body i.e. Weight and worn down defenses because Bamas defense in the last 4 years has been better than any I can remember in 50 years of watching college football over a 4 year period. When you give the offense the ball so many times a game and keep pounding on the opposing teams defense, then they wear out. Henry was a product of that. Eddie Lacy was more explosive at less weight than Richardson, Henry, etc. the weight helped them with the style of offense they were running.
Mystery SEC RB comparison by SECSolomonGrundy
You think Shaun Alexander had better "explosiveness, power, and speed" than Derrick Henry?
Dubose ran him hurt and he still had 13+. The loss to Tenn, was the only game they should have lost. La Tech and Michigan were really close from what I remember.
In your mind who will have a more productive career?
Nearly 10000 yards where he played, multiple pro bowls NFL MVP, etc... in the pros that's enough for everyone else to know why he was special...
I don't need anymore evidence.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 11:46 am to Tiger1988
I left off vision because I'll give you the argument that Shaun had better vision than Henry.
In my mind, I don't know who will end up with the better pro career. But, based on what they did in college, Henry was better.
You can't dismiss what Henry was able to do just because he had a good defense. He ran for more yards than any SEC back, won the Heisman, and he was the key cog in an offense that won the natty. Give the man some credit.
Do you think Shaun Alexander was faster than Henry? Do you think he was stronger?
In my mind, I don't know who will end up with the better pro career. But, based on what they did in college, Henry was better.
You can't dismiss what Henry was able to do just because he had a good defense. He ran for more yards than any SEC back, won the Heisman, and he was the key cog in an offense that won the natty. Give the man some credit.
Do you think Shaun Alexander was faster than Henry? Do you think he was stronger?
Posted on 7/8/17 at 11:52 am to PurpleandGeauld
Guice will be the 2nd SEC player drafted and the 1st SEC RB drafted.
Arden Key will be the first SEC player drafted.
M.Fitzpatrick will be the 3rd SEC player drafted.
All 3 first round.
Arden Key will be the first SEC player drafted.
M.Fitzpatrick will be the 3rd SEC player drafted.
All 3 first round.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 12:41 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Damn right football faster. You didn't see that guy completely healthy or as healthy as he could have been i.e. His freshman year. There is little argument and damn the dude had probably 1500 ish yards receiving on a running team. Geez.
Alexander was a superior back.
Dubose nearly cost him his career.
Name me 1 Bama back as productive as he was in the pros when running was more prevalent than passing. Hell Ingram is finally becoming the back he should be.
If you are an NFL Executive or college head coach who do you pick from the following list first:
1. Richardson
2. Lacy
3. Ingram
4. Alexander
5. Henry
As an overall football player and productive back (running, receiveing, etc). Here are mine
4
3
2
5
1
I'm an LSU fan of 50+ years and I have zero dog in this fight.
Alexander was a superior back.
Dubose nearly cost him his career.
Name me 1 Bama back as productive as he was in the pros when running was more prevalent than passing. Hell Ingram is finally becoming the back he should be.
If you are an NFL Executive or college head coach who do you pick from the following list first:
1. Richardson
2. Lacy
3. Ingram
4. Alexander
5. Henry
As an overall football player and productive back (running, receiveing, etc). Here are mine
4
3
2
5
1
I'm an LSU fan of 50+ years and I have zero dog in this fight.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 1:22 pm to Tiger1988
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I'm an LSU fan of 50+ years and I have zero dog in this fight.
You're also a man who has the benefit of five or six years of hindsight. Your list is completely based on that.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 1:33 pm to RollTide1987
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You're also a man who has the benefit of five or six years of hindsight. Your list is completely based on that.
Damn right. In fact, I have 50 years of benefit and very likely many many more than you.
It's just part of being old.
I do appreciate what Henry did without a doubt and these types of debates that cross many many years of football with different teams, coaches, etc makes all of this opinion and nothing more than that even beyond statistics.
That's why when I look at Charles Alexander, I saw nearly every game he played. I m ow what a freak he was because he like Fournette had to run into many 8-10 man fronts most of his career.
I've witnessed it all so I'm a little biased about how these guys played.
If you looked at LSUs 1978 team, David Woodley, impacted his productivity in a good way because of his mobility and ability to throw a little. It doesn't make him any less of a hoss than what he was in 1977.
Feeding superior backs early and often and still winning games by only passing on third down is how I judge a backs ability. That's typically defined by how good of an oline he has and what kind of full back. These are different times today and Bamas offense evolved tremendously over the last 3 years and you can't deny that.
It's really hard to compare these guys.
One way might be to look at their productivity in each quarter and every situation. Just to see the impact over an entire game.
This post was edited on 7/8/17 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 7/8/17 at 8:27 pm to Tiger1988
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That's why when I look at Charles Alexander, I saw nearly every game he played. I m ow what a freak he was because he like Fournette had to run into many 8-10 man fronts most of his career.
This. It is the same kind of deal that Herschel had to deal with. People that were around then understand how different it was, and comparisons to today's stats aren't easy to make.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 8:35 pm to Ted2010
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Henry is indeed the greatest of all time. Just embrace it & let the jealousy go.
Henry rushed for more yards than anyone in SEC history. But he isn't even close to the GOAT. As some others on this post have said, he is a product of the system he played in. It is actually funny, because his great season is due to a "Les Miles system". Pound and pound with a big back who can handle a lot of carries. The big yards come at the end. Bama's great D should get the Lion's share of credit because they made the other team quit, and then Henry pummeled them (yes that includes LSU).
Posted on 7/8/17 at 8:54 pm to Tiger1988
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I have 50 years of benefit and very likely many many more than you.
So what? The vast majority of games didn't start making it onto TV until the last 20 years or so, right around the time I started watching football somewhat religiously.
Unless you were somehow at all of these games then your age is quite frankly insignificant. In the 60s and 70s, even into the 80s, if you wanted to catch an Alabama or LSU game you generally had to listen to it on the radio. As virtually every single game Shaun Alexander played was on television, we have the benefit of VHS to look back on the games he played. And as I have been spending the last three years making highlight videos from every single Alabama game - win or lose -that was televised, going back to 1990, I believe my opinion holds just as much weight (if not more so) than yours.
I watched Shaun Alexander play at Alabama for four years (both in the 1990s and within the last three years), and I can tell you emphatically that Henry was a better college running back. Why? Because Alexander was actually a lazy player who would take plays off from time to time. That's one of the reasons why Stallings didn't play him that much his freshman year, despite how talented he was. It wasn't until Alexander was older that he finally started maintaining a solid work ethic. Henry never had that problem. But that's just one example. There are many others, such as the fact that I am of the opinion that Henry was faster, more explosive, and stronger than Alexander in college.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 11:57 pm to RollTide1987
quote:that's a joke right?
There are many others, such as the fact that I am of the opinion that Henry was faster, more explosive, and stronger than Alexander in college.
You can make all the videos you want, but the eyes don't lie. And if you really want to know about Charles Alexander, go to YouTube. His games are there.
Go take a look for yourself.
I suppose that Henry was faster, more explosive than Lacy? Or Ingram? What a freaking joke...
Trust me when I say this, I saw Lacy play more games than you and know what he was like at 225 from a speed and explosiveness perspective...
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:13 am to BowlJackson
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Still, calling a man who was quite literally twice as good of a pro as Henry
You're so full of shite
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 12:14 am
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