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re: More quality in this Arkansas class than any before
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:04 am to woopiginaustin
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:04 am to woopiginaustin
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I don't like the lack of high-end talent, but this class provides more quality depth than we have ever signed before. That isn't an opinion. It's simple fact.
What you call "quality depth" top end SEC teams call special teams players and backups.
Just an FYI.
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Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:05 am to woopiginaustin
Not reading the thread, but you are still behind Vandy.
Great job.
Great job.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:07 am to Choctaw Hog
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How can you evaluate players and a class before a year or two on the field?
So now recruiting rankings are bullshite? Which is it, you Hog fans were pimping your big class last year and this year recruiting rankings don't matter.
Pretty selective if you ask me. The bottom line is the chance this class is as good as the top tier SEC classes are very, very slim.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:08 am to woopiginaustin
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You are looking at stars period. 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 are all the same in your discussion.
That's fine. As long as we know where we are coming from.
I am using that because when the average fan looks at their class or another team's class that's what they are going to see. The avid sports fan is going to be able to look past just the star rating and look at the player.
The average fan isnt going to dissect another teams class to see how balanced the class is from top to bottom, and then compare it to their previous classes.
To a hog fan who has done this it is clear that that the previous 2 classes have been far more balanced then any other class ever. A year or so from now the 2-deep rotation is going to be far more balanced that when we have an injury or graduation then we are not going to suffer the following year. There is going to be someone there who can jump right in and contribute.
Arkansas hasn't had that in a long time.
We are not going to see a 9-4 and 10-4 season followed up by a 4-7 and 5-7 stretch. Since 2002 we have not had more then 2 winning seasons in a row. This lack of depth from each recruiting class has caused this to happen.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:10 am to thunderbird1100
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So now recruiting rankings are bullshite? Which is it, you Hog fans were pimping your big class last year and this year recruiting rankings don't matter.
Pretty selective if you ask me. The bottom line is the chance this class is as good as the top tier SEC classes are very, very slim.
Exactly. It's pretty pathetic isn't it?
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:10 am to thunderbird1100
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What you call "quality depth" top end SEC teams call special teams players and backups.
Which is exactly what we needed! Which is why we signed 2 kickers (1 decommit), and a punter is on campus today.
Where we failed was bringing in some instant (4 or 5 star) help at a few key defensive positions. That is our biggest swing and miss.
The class though as a whole has never been this quality at Arkansas, from top to bottom.
We won or tied the West 4 times in 19 years with classes that were far, far weaker than this one with far, far less coaching.
I'm not the least bit concerned. If Petrino swings and misses on offense next year, then I'll be concerned.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:11 am to woopiginaustin
I understand that these star rankings can be a bit misleading in either a good way or bad, but you're not really helping your argument.
You say that you are looking at these ratings...
Then you throw out his argument of using stars....
The problem is, those stars are pretty much derived from those player rankings. Those player ratings(4.9-6.1) are being used to help determine what star ranking they should go by.
I'm not saying that your class is embarrassing or anything, but to defend it by using a rating that is used to help attach stars is dumb if you are trashing the stars themselves.
You can't just give every player that extra .1. Sure, a guy may be a little underrated and deserve that .1. But ya know what, another guy might just be a little overrated and not deserve a .1 that he was a awarded. Maybe one of your 3 star 5.7's deserves that .1 to make him a 4 star. But maybe one of your 5.8's is slightly overrated and really deserves a 5.7.
You say that you are looking at these ratings...
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I am looking at the specific player ratings. 5.5, 5.6, 5.7, 5.8.........
Then you throw out his argument of using stars....
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You are looking at stars period. 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 are all the same in your discussion.
The problem is, those stars are pretty much derived from those player rankings. Those player ratings(4.9-6.1) are being used to help determine what star ranking they should go by.
I'm not saying that your class is embarrassing or anything, but to defend it by using a rating that is used to help attach stars is dumb if you are trashing the stars themselves.
You can't just give every player that extra .1. Sure, a guy may be a little underrated and deserve that .1. But ya know what, another guy might just be a little overrated and not deserve a .1 that he was a awarded. Maybe one of your 3 star 5.7's deserves that .1 to make him a 4 star. But maybe one of your 5.8's is slightly overrated and really deserves a 5.7.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:14 am to woopiginaustin
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Which is exactly what we needed! Which is why we signed 2 kickers (1 decommit), and a punter is on campus today
You needed to bring in a poor class full of mostly C-USA level talent as opposed to SEC level starters? Huh? You realize this makes no sense.
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The class though as a whole has never been this quality at Arkansas, from top to bottom.
It's mediocre top to bottom.
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We won or tied the West 4 times in 19 years with classes that were far, far weaker than this one with far, far less coaching.
Not really. Nutt always brought in at least a few top notch recruits. Petrino has just 1 this year. It's those few top notch guys who start who usually make the difference.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:15 am to pankReb
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I'm not saying that your class is embarrassing or anything
I am. I would be highly pissed if Ole Miss was recruiting like Arkansas.
They're just trying to make themselves feel better about a recruiting class only Vandy might be proud of.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:15 am to JoeJuice
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To a hog fan who has done this it is clear that that the previous 2 classes have been far more balanced then any other class ever. A year or so from now the 2-deep rotation is going to be far more balanced that when we have an injury or graduation then we are not going to suffer the following year. There is going to be someone there who can jump right in and contribute. Arkansas hasn't had that in a long time. We are not going to see a 9-4 and 10-4 season followed up by a 4-7 and 5-7 stretch. Since 2002 we have not had more then 2 winning seasons in a row. This lack of depth from each recruiting class has caused this to happen.
We agree on something.
That was the whole point of my thread. We've NEVER signed depth like this.
We have lacked depth for so long it isn't even funny.
Who knows? Maybe a Darren McFadden/Felix Jones + 17 two star duds ends up giving us the same results as 19 high rated three stars?
We'll see, but the 4 and 5 star kids that Arkansas fans want came last year and will be inked in 2011. This class just wasn't going to be that. The positions we needed filled, and the low volume, almost guaranteed a lower rated class.
This post was edited on 2/1/10 at 11:17 am
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:18 am to woopiginaustin
I'm glad you guys are proud of Petrino's recruiting but he's still got at least 10 SEC programs outrecruiting him.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:21 am to woopiginaustin
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The positions we needed filled, and the low volume, almost guaranteed a lower rated class.
You have committed:
6 ATH
5 DB/WR's
And a couple of OL's & DE's.
How exactly do THOSE positions guarantee a lower rated class.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:22 am to thunderbird1100
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Not really. Nutt always brought in at least a few top notch recruits. Petrino has just 1 this year. It's those few top notch guys who start who usually make the difference.
If you look at Nutt's classes almost 60% of the 4 and 5 star commits he had never lived up to their hype. It was usually those diamond in the ruff players that helped out.
You take away D-mac, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis, and Matt Jones and we dont have near the success.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:23 am to JoeJuice
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We are not going to see a 9-4 and 10-4 season followed up by a 4-7 and 5-7 stretch
This is what I'm excited about, consistantly having a winning season, bowl appearances and wins.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:25 am to sorantable
Comparing Arkansas to Arkansas, not Arkansas to ______, this is our highest quality class yet.
If you look at 2's, 3's, 4's, and 5's as all the same then you only see a 3.0 average.
If you are a recruiting dork, like myself and recruiting services, you'll see that 16 of 19 kids are 5.6 or better (we've never had that) and 8 of 19 are 0.1 away from a 4th star.
I would imagine that if I took the time to see what % of SEC classes consist of 5.6 or greater, the numbers may surprise you. (Arkansas 84%, UT 80%, UGA 100%, Ole Miss 78%, USC 71%, MSU 68%.....)
If you look at 2's, 3's, 4's, and 5's as all the same then you only see a 3.0 average.
If you are a recruiting dork, like myself and recruiting services, you'll see that 16 of 19 kids are 5.6 or better (we've never had that) and 8 of 19 are 0.1 away from a 4th star.
I would imagine that if I took the time to see what % of SEC classes consist of 5.6 or greater, the numbers may surprise you. (Arkansas 84%, UT 80%, UGA 100%, Ole Miss 78%, USC 71%, MSU 68%.....)
This post was edited on 2/1/10 at 11:31 am
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:28 am to woopiginaustin
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:28 am to woopiginaustin
You have to see how this thread comes off as pretty spin-ish
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:30 am to pankReb
pankreb
4 of your 6 4-stars are all on the defensive line.
Where's the depth for the rest of this class?or does nutt plan on turning one of them into a QB and RB cause the only offense you had last year was a attributed to Snead, McCluster, and Hodge. Your offense is going to be potent.
4 of your 6 4-stars are all on the defensive line.
Where's the depth for the rest of this class?or does nutt plan on turning one of them into a QB and RB cause the only offense you had last year was a attributed to Snead, McCluster, and Hodge. Your offense is going to be potent.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:31 am to woopiginaustin
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If you are a recruiting dork, like myself and recruiting services, you'll see that 16 of 19 kids are 5.6 or better (we've never had that) and 8 of 19 are 0.1 away from a 4th star.
And you have a 4 star that is .1 away from being a 3 star. And you have 3 3 stars that is .1 away from being a 2 star.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 11:33 am to pankReb
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And you have a 4 star that is .1 away from being a 3 star.
Still 5.6 or higher
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And you have 3 3 stars that is .1 away from being a 2 star.
Never said they were 5.6 or higher. They are they 17, 18, and 19 of "16 of 19", or the other 16%.
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