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re: More egregious championship rematch?
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:20 am to Prof
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:20 am to Prof
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CFB is neither a tourney sport nor one where opponents play more than once.
So the 1999 SEC Championship Game, 2001 SEC Championship Game, 2003 SEC Championship Game, 2004 SEC Championship Game, 2010 SEC Championship Game, and 1995 and 1997 Sugar Bowls never happened?
And that's just to name a few.
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 12:23 am
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Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:50 am to bodask42
you can't get unbiased answers with this type of OP but having said that:
The answer is the 2011 rematch. multiple rematches happen all the time in basketball. As the OP comes close to noting multiple teams could play up to four times per year if they played twice in the regular season, once in the conference tournament and again at some point in the NCAA or NIT.
The reason that the BCS was viewed as an improvement over the previous college football system was its ability to match up teams that would not have been otherwise able to settle the issue on the field. Bama had their chance in the regular season. Oklahoma State (despite the superior resume when you look at wins and ranked opponents beaten/faced) was deprived of their opportunity. Judging by how the 2003 USC loss to a pretty bad Cal team was generally ignored by voters this treatment never would have happened if Ok State had been a premiere name (note USC lost in the computers but won the voters whereas Ok State won the computers but lost the voters).
The answer is the 2011 rematch. multiple rematches happen all the time in basketball. As the OP comes close to noting multiple teams could play up to four times per year if they played twice in the regular season, once in the conference tournament and again at some point in the NCAA or NIT.
The reason that the BCS was viewed as an improvement over the previous college football system was its ability to match up teams that would not have been otherwise able to settle the issue on the field. Bama had their chance in the regular season. Oklahoma State (despite the superior resume when you look at wins and ranked opponents beaten/faced) was deprived of their opportunity. Judging by how the 2003 USC loss to a pretty bad Cal team was generally ignored by voters this treatment never would have happened if Ok State had been a premiere name (note USC lost in the computers but won the voters whereas Ok State won the computers but lost the voters).
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:52 am to molsusports
Playing UK for a 4th time would be a shitty break for UF but I wouldn't call it egregious since UK would have to make their way out of the toughest quarter of the the bracket to get there.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:57 am to bodask42
The regular season isn't meant to matter as much in college basketball as it does in college football. e.g. Connecticut winning the national title in 2011.
Based on the system the answer is A, if you had to pick one. Although, Alabama was the best team in the country in 2011.
2011 SEC Champs 4ever tho
Based on the system the answer is A, if you had to pick one. Although, Alabama was the best team in the country in 2011.
2011 SEC Champs 4ever tho
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:58 am to bodask42
The regular season isn't meant to matter as much in college basketball as it does in college football. e.g. Connecticut winning the national title in 2011.
Based on the system the answer is A, if you had to pick one. Although, Alabama was the best team in the country in 2011.
2011 SEC Champs 4ever tho
Based on the system the answer is A, if you had to pick one. Although, Alabama was the best team in the country in 2011.
2011 SEC Champs 4ever tho
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:58 am to RollTide1987
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So the 1999 SEC Championship Game, 2001 SEC Championship Game, 2003 SEC Championship Game, 2004 SEC Championship Game, 2010 SEC Championship Game, and 1995 and 1997 Sugar Bowls never happened?
And that's just to name a few.
Yeah, this definitely never happened.
Even though I was there.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 7:41 am to bodask42
If UK were to meet Florida and beat them, then they won based on the rules of the sport.
No matter how many times we slice it, the same is true for Bama/LSU.
Shine on you crazy diamonds.
No matter how many times we slice it, the same is true for Bama/LSU.
Shine on you crazy diamonds.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 8:24 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
No regular season game ment more than Okie State-Iowas State.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 9:04 am to Prof
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CFB is neither a tourney sport nor one where opponents play more than once.
Happened once before in the championship game and several other times with rematches in bowl games. Just to name a few:
1997 Sugar Bowl: Florida avenges regular season loss against FSU to win National Championship
1995 Sugar Bowl: FSU breaks the '94 regular season tie by beating UF in the rematch (this was the first Sugar Bowl played that year on Jan 2nd; there was another that year played on New Year's Eve following the '95 season)
1979 Orange Bowl: Oklahoma avenges regular season loss to Nebraska
1960 Sugar Bowl: Ole Miss avenges regular season loss to LSU & Billy Cannon
Those are just the bowl games I can recall off the top of my head...pretty sure there were others...
But as for sayin' that CFB is not a sport where opponents play more than once, you must also take into account conference championship games:
1999: Bama beats UF twice, once in the Swamp and once in the SEC CG
2001: LSU avenges a regular season loss to UT in the SEC CG
2003: LSU beats UGA twice
2009: Ga Tech beats Clemson twice
2010: Auburn beats SCe twice
2011: Happened twice in CGs. Clemson beat Va Tech for the second time in the ACC CG while Wisconsin avenged a regular season loss to Mich St in the Big 10 CG...looks like 2011 was the year of the rematch...
2012: Also happened twice. Stanford beats UCLA for the second time in 6 days in the PAC 10 CG while Wisconsin once again avenges a regular season loss, this time against Nebraska in the Big 10 CG...
Again, there are probably others, but these were the most prominent...
So while in b-ball, rematches are much more likely, they're not as rare as you'd think in football, especially with the advent of the conference championship games...
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 9:25 am
Posted on 3/28/14 at 9:59 am to bodask42
A is the more egregious matchup.
bammer did nothing to get to the rematch. they sat at home and watched other teams lose.
IF Kentucky got to the final game, they would have won 4 tourney games against the highest level of competition for a second chance at UF. Explain how that is unfair?
bammers being bammers I guess.
bammer did nothing to get to the rematch. they sat at home and watched other teams lose.
IF Kentucky got to the final game, they would have won 4 tourney games against the highest level of competition for a second chance at UF. Explain how that is unfair?
bammers being bammers I guess.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 10:08 am to bodask42
I'll bite.
A is way worse.
In B, at least Kentucky actually played and won their way back into the title game.
A is way worse.
In B, at least Kentucky actually played and won their way back into the title game.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 10:12 am to SECdragonmaster
Dragonmaster... Bammer (x3). You're a real piece of work.
And in the case of Bama 2011, they won every game during their season except for an overtime loss against #1 team in the country. They did go on to win the rest of their games after LSU (which admittedly wasn't much since Auburn was really down that year). And despite what someone said earlier, the BCS wasn't about picking the 2 best teams who don't meet throughout the regular season, but picking the 2 best teams in the country, period. Once all the chips were down in 2011 that was Bama & LSU.
Yes Kentucky would have played their butts off to win 6 games and win their tournament in this situation, but they would have went 1-3 vs another team who made it all the way to the finals of the tournament. It's just a crazy situation to me.
But I think both situations are comparable which is why I posted this.
And in the case of Bama 2011, they won every game during their season except for an overtime loss against #1 team in the country. They did go on to win the rest of their games after LSU (which admittedly wasn't much since Auburn was really down that year). And despite what someone said earlier, the BCS wasn't about picking the 2 best teams who don't meet throughout the regular season, but picking the 2 best teams in the country, period. Once all the chips were down in 2011 that was Bama & LSU.
Yes Kentucky would have played their butts off to win 6 games and win their tournament in this situation, but they would have went 1-3 vs another team who made it all the way to the finals of the tournament. It's just a crazy situation to me.
But I think both situations are comparable which is why I posted this.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 10:18 am to nc14
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Three regular season games...hmmm. 0-3, you are the champions! GOAT. Ugh
Just saying Villanova was not quite the cinderella the media made them out to be.
St. Johns won the regular season that year
Georgetown won the tournament
01.12.85 Georgetown 52, Villanova 50 (@ Villanova)
02.11.85 Georgetown 57, Villanova 50 (@ Georgetown)
St Johns knocked Villanova out of the Big East tourney, not Georgetown
04.11.85 Georgetown 64, Villanova 66 (@ Lexington in NCAA)
Posted on 3/28/14 at 10:19 am to bodask42
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Personally I think B (Kentucky vs Florida) is more outrageous. Not that Kentucky wouldn't deserve it because the Tourney is the system of the day, but it REALLY makes the regular season meaningless.
It would suck as a UF fan... Seeing as beating UK in basketball 4 times in a season is pretty much unheard of.
But UK would have earned it. No problems there.
The 2011 LSU vs. Bama rematch was BS though.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 10:22 am to boXerrumble
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LSU vs. Bama rematch was BS
Posted on 3/28/14 at 10:26 am to bodask42
Fish ain't biting it seems.
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