re: Mizzou DE Michael Sam comes out

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There many forms of accidents. Would you not agree?

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What does that even mean?

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No.

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Um...yes. This isn't a debate, the vast majority of cultures in the history of recorded civilization married off their children, especially daughters, very young. Mary was between 12-14 according to literally every Hebrew and Christian scholar I know of, most agree on 13. Joseph is believed to have been between 30-35, as he is describe as an older man, died years before Mary and Hebrew men often married around that age as fathers felt they were established and good protectors of their daughters and future offspring. The average Hebrew female in the first century AD had 4-5 children before her 20th birthday.

Jesus' mother was an eigth grader and his father over twice her age. These are agreed upon by everyone worth their salt in this field.

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Then by your own logic, why do you suggest that the Bible, in particular the NT, is a hoax? Why would those men prop up a lie unto death? Those men who walked with Christ and formed their opinion from a first hand account. They go out and tell others knowing they would face death? Then when being faced with death, died rather than undo the hoax?

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I believe Jesus' was a real person who very well may have thought he was the son of God. In addition, I believe his followers genuinely believed in his divinity or some form of divine power/authority. I believe all were deluded first century Hebrews who had some very good ideas on how to treat your fellow man.

Additionally, there is no historical proof that any of the disciples existed, that any of them died for being Christian, etc. It's not even an established fact they died for their faith.

Your argument holds no water regardless because as a Christian, you believe Islam is a lie and yet millions have died for it through the centuries. Most of Muhammads closest followers were executed in one way or another.

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Does not matter unless you have proof, it is simply a guess on your part.

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You want me to PROVE that prisoners have sex with each other, that slaves had whole families in secret and that priests/pastors have had sex with or molested members of their congregation? Are you really this dense?

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Want and acting upon that desire is 2 different things.

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Easy for you to say

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You made the suggestion that it is flawed and full of untruth.

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Because it is. The four gospels cant even get the story straight.

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I believe Jesus' was a real person who very well may have thought he was the son of God. In addition, I believe his followers genuinely believed in his divinity or some form of divine power/authority. I believe all were deluded first century Hebrews who had some very good ideas on how to treat your fellow man.

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I see .. uneducated? not able to see through a hoax in over 3 years of being around him daily? Jesus just thought he was, as in a little off in the head?

There is an issue with that. Your position means that you offer proof of that. Rules are simple. You can use the text to show his actions clearly make him a little off and thought he was the son of God. In fact, use what you will.

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Additionally, there is no historical proof that any of the disciples existed, that any of them died for being Christian, etc. It's not even an established fact they died for their faith.

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Oh, but the Bible is in fact historical documents. Not to mention, the writings of the first century church are in fact historical documents. Out side of those, we do have historical jewish documents(non christian).

ANT. 18.5.2 Talks of the arrest of John the Baptist and his fate. Again, non christian writings. Not only that, it confirms many of the details with in the NT.

Ant. 18.3.3 Talks about Jesus.

Ant 20.9.1 Mention Jesus and James.

You attempt to find issue with what you assert to be a lack of historical documents that mention these people.

1- You do have it in historical documents.
2- Yes those are from that area, where else would you expect the data to come from?

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Your argument holds no water regardless because as a Christian, you believe Islam is a lie and yet millions have died for it through the centuries. Most of Muhammads closest followers were executed in one way or another.

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Flawed. Did Muhammad claim to be the Messiah? That answer is no. Did he clim to be the son of God? No. Did those around him make that claim? No. Did they die propping up a lie that Muhammad was raised from the dead? No.

Muhammad was unifying an established religion. He was considered a prophet. Islam had many prophets prior to him.

No where near the same. Jesus Claimed to be the Son of God. The Messiah. The Apostles wrote of the events, believed those events and died believing those events.

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How are you this ignorant of history?

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I'm not. Again, I will defer to another person.

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Even the early church fathers said Mary was very young and Joseph much older. If your friend believes differently he is just simply wrong and I don't care what degree he has.

I can't believe I'm having to walk you through this like a child.

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So now you only want to deal with Mary? You stated the world as a whole believed like this and it should be accepted.

Please explain betrothal?

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Correct. Because being gay is no more a Biblical sin than eating bacon is. God doesn't give a frick if you eat bacon. God doesn't give a frick if you are gay.

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For reference...see Sodom.

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libtards love to throw the word ignorant and tolerance around, but the truth is they are the least tolerant people around. This thread is a great example as they are trying to rip on anyone who doesn't support Sam

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Apparently, folks on this board who do not "support" Sams' homosexuality are in line with Sams' teammates. Sams' teammates were "accepting" of his homosexuality BUT apparently were not "supportive" of his homosexuality.

LINK /

At this point, folks are really rehashing the rehash with this "debate."

And not a single person's mind has been changed on either side (per par).

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Additionally, there is no historical proof that any of the disciples existed, that any of them died for being Christian, etc. It's not even an established fact they died for their faith.

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So in 2000 years I guess books written by John Grisham can be ignored as well, because it will have been so long ago we couldn't have proof that he existed. There are other writings from disciples that didn't make it into the bible and are in fact, historical documents. Do some research.

Oh this thread has went another direction