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re: Mizzou DE Michael Sam comes out
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:53 am to the808bass
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:53 am to the808bass
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People make these sorts of illogical "choices" everyday. It's a meaningless argument.
No they don't.
Let's say someone decides to take heroine. Why do they take heroine? To get high. Now, can you get high by making the choice NOT to do heroine? No, unless you use another substance which generates a high and would be an equally "illogical" choice. The choice is get high or not get high.
Same thing with adultery, Why do people cheat? Because something about their current partner is not meeting their needs. The social stigma of cheating is "worth it" in order to meet their unmet needs.
Now, let's say a straight man chooses to be gay. He is choosing gay sex over straight sex, gay relationships over straight ones. The choice is NOT sex or no sex, the choice is one type of relationship or another. WHY would ANYONE pick the choice that results in making their life much more difficult when they could have a relationship they enjoyed either way if it were a true choice? There is no gain by choosing to be gay in this scenario.
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:56 am to darkhorse
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Using your same common sense and this quote. Do you actually think that men would prop up a lie even when threatened with death?
I have no idea what you are asking here.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:59 am to Roger Klarvin
Go Roger! You are actually making sense for once.
I don't understand how anyone can think low level primal sexual urges are a choice. Seems obvious they are hard coded into your fabric as a human being from the start. Maybe someday we'll figure out how to tinker with the causes of those complex behaviors, but I'm not sure we want to until we get a whole lot smarter.
I don't understand how anyone can think low level primal sexual urges are a choice. Seems obvious they are hard coded into your fabric as a human being from the start. Maybe someday we'll figure out how to tinker with the causes of those complex behaviors, but I'm not sure we want to until we get a whole lot smarter.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:00 am to the808bass
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I'm pretty sure that Michael Sam wasn't carrying the sin burden by himself this year for the Tigers.
Correct. Because being gay is no more a Biblical sin than eating bacon is. God doesn't give a frick if you eat bacon. God doesn't give a frick if you are gay.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:00 am to the808bass
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I would say that homosexuality has a genetic component. But so does being a D1 basketball player.
So what? Nobody is condemning or shunning D-1 basketball players because they can jump high.
Additionally, being a basketball player is not an inherent part of the human experience. Playing basketball is not a biological urge, it is a learned activity.
Sexuality is an inherent, biological urge within all of us. Imagine if tomorrow someone told you that, in order to get to heaven, you could never have sex with the person you love ever again. Not just sex either, no kissing, no holding hands, no nothing. I think you would quickly find that suppressing your genetic predisposition isn't as easy as you're trying to make it out to be.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:05 am to darkhorse
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Then you must not believe that pedophilia is a sin either. After all the exact same science, epigenetics, is saying it is exactly like that. They are suggesting that people are born that way. In fact, they want it changed to a sexual orientation.
I believe that you would also say that people do not choose to want to be with kids either.
1: Being attracted to adolescents and children IS a sexual orientation. Being inherently attracted to a certain person, or group, is not up to a person's conscious mind. Some people are just sick fricks who rape kids, but some are genuinely attracted to young kids. It's an accident of biology.
2: You approach every single post assuming everyone agrees with you about the nature of sin. "Sin" is different to many people, and many don't believe it exists at all.
3: Pedophilia involves only one consenting party. Once you get to be 14-15, then sure the age of consent becomes arbitrary but we HAVE to set it somewhere. A 6 year old cannot consent to sex with any real knowledge of what is occurring to them.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:07 am to Roger Klarvin
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I have no idea what you are asking here.
Was not a hard question.
Do you actually think men would prop up a lie even when it meant death?
Do you believe a man would say something was true when it was not and the only benefit from that lie was death?
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:08 am to darkhorse
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Do you actually think men would prop up a lie even when it meant death?
Plenty of men have died for religion.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:11 am to Roger Klarvin
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Additionally, being a basketball player is not an inherent part of the human experience. Playing basketball is not a biological urge, it is a learned activity.
Not true. People are born better athletes than others. genetic predispositions...
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Imagine if tomorrow someone told you that, in order to get to heaven, you could never have sex with the person you love ever again. Not just sex either, no kissing, no holding hands, no nothing. I think you would quickly find that suppressing your genetic predisposition isn't as easy as you're trying to make it out to be.
1- people do that all the time. They give that up.
2- You are using a hypothetical. That Bible is clear in that. The Bible is clear about sex.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:14 am to darkhorse
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Was not a hard question.
Do you actually think men would prop up a lie even when it meant death?
Do you believe a man would say something was true when it was not and the only benefit from that lie was death?
Does the person in question know it to be a lie, and if they do are other lives besides their own at stake in the decision?
If I know my child's life depends on me dying for a lie, I'll do it.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:16 am to darkhorse
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2- You are using a hypothetical. That Bible is clear in that. The Bible is clear about sex.
The Bible is clear about eating bacon as well.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:16 am to darkhorse
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Not true. People are born better athletes than others. genetic predispositions...
You have to be taught to play basketball. You don't automatically learn how to play the game just by virtue of growing older even if you are predisposed to being better at it if taught.
Sexuality is not a learned skill, it will arise naturally without any teaching on the matter. You WILL develop attractions to people whether you want to or not.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:17 am to Roger Klarvin
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1: Being attracted to adolescents and children IS a sexual orientation. Being inherently attracted to a certain person, or group, is not up to a person's conscious mind. Some people are just sick fricks who rape kids, but some are genuinely attracted to young kids. It's an accident of biology.
SO is homosexuality. It is the EXACT same science.
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2: You approach every single post assuming everyone agrees with you about the nature of sin. "Sin" is different to many people, and many don't believe it exists at all.
Then you believe if a 11 year old was allowed by law to consent with an adult then it would be ok?
Pedophilia shoulkd never be listed as a sexual orientation, nor should any abnormality(an accident of biology). You can not have it both ways Roger.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:21 am to darkhorse
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1- people do that all the time. They give that up.
Meh, most either masturbate, seek out sex secretly, have sex with others in similar positions or take advantage of children. Very few people are truly celibate their whole lives.
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2- You are using a hypothetical. That Bible is clear in that. The Bible is clear about sex.
The bible says it is a perversion to sleep with your wife while she is on her period. The bible says pulling out is punishable by death. The bible says women should not speak in church. The bible says men cannot have long hair.
The bible says all these things and more.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:21 am to Roger Klarvin
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Does the person in question know it to be a lie,
Yes
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if they do are other lives besides their own at stake in the decision?
Just their own. But for the sake of argument, let's say Just their own, then answer to other's at stake.
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If I know my child's life depends on me dying for a lie, I'll do it.
No child involved.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:25 am to darkhorse
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SO is homosexuality. It is the EXACT same science.
No shite dude?
I have three biology degrees, I've known this a lot longer than you have
Yes, homosexuality is an accident of biology. If EVERYONE were gay, we'd die out. That being said, we see similar accidents of biology in nature. Many animals exhibit pronounced homosexual behavior. Male giraffes bone each other all the time, dolphins and chimps both practice homosexuality, etc.
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Then you believe if a 11 year old was allowed by law to consent with an adult then it would be ok?
Yes, as did most of humanity throughout human history including the Hebrews and early Christians.
Mary? You know, the mother of Jesus? Yeah, she was 12 or 13. She got giggy with Joseph, a man likely well over twice her age, and had many kids with him after Jesus.
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Pedophilia shoulkd never be listed as a sexual orientation, nor should any abnormality(an accident of biology). You can not have it both ways Roger.
frick, Jesus' adoptive dad must be roasting in hell.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:26 am to Roger Klarvin
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Meh, most either masturbate, seek out sex secretly, have sex with others in similar positions or take advantage of children. Very few people are truly celibate their whole lives.
You have zero way of knowing that. It's strictly your opinion.
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The bible says it is a perversion to sleep with your wife while she is on her period. The bible says pulling out is punishable by death. The bible says women should not speak in church. The bible says men cannot have long hair.
Rule one when it comes to the Bible is that it be rightly divided. Second, you can't pull a text out and use it alone when other texts apply. If you form a opinion on that text, then find another that goes against your opinion, you are wrong, not what you read the first time. You formed your opinion without all of the facts within the text.
An example here for you would be the long hair. Does the Bible say long hair is a sin?
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:27 am to darkhorse
In that case, there is no logical reason for dying for a lie. Without any gain for others, dying for a lie serves no purpose.
That being said, most who die for lies either did not know they were lies or knew others would benefit from them keeping up the lie.
That being said, most who die for lies either did not know they were lies or knew others would benefit from them keeping up the lie.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:32 am to Roger Klarvin
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No shite dude?
I have three biology degrees, I've known this a lot longer than you have
Great, then we are on equal ground. And unless you are older than me then no you have not.
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Yes, homosexuality is an accident of biology. If EVERYONE were gay, we'd die out
There many forms of accidents. Would you not agree?
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Yes, as did most of humanity throughout human history including the Hebrews and early Christians.
No. I will however, defer to a Friend who has a phd in this area. I will invite that person to the rant.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:34 am to darkhorse
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You have zero way of knowing that. It's strictly your opinion.
Prisons, slaves, preists, monks, etc. Throughout history and still today, celibate people have found ways to have sex. Even many Popes had tons of sex before becoming the Pope.
Virtually the only "celibate" group in history without known sex on a large scale are nuns, and many nuns don't enter into the order until later in life.
People. Want. Sex. It's part of our biology.
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Rule one when it comes to the Bible is that it be rightly divided. Second, you can't pull a text out and use it alone when other texts apply. If you form a opinion on that text, then find another that goes against your opinion, you are wrong, not what you read the first time. You formed your opinion without all of the facts within the text.
An example here for you would be the long hair. Does the Bible say long hair is a sin?
I have met one Christian in my life who has read through the bible more times than me and that's my mother. Come at me bro
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