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Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:40 pm to semotruman
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:40 pm to semotruman
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semotruman
You've struck the nail on the head with
quote:. The concern today is: 'is homosexuality sin in His eyes'? IMO, it is. And if so, then followers of Jesus are compelled to call gays to repentance - not from a stance of moral superiority but from a stance of complete forgiveness and concern for the eternal destiny of their souls and the glory of God.
all sin is sin in his eyes
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:48 pm to AlwysATgr
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The concern today is: 'is homosexuality sin in His eyes'? IMO, it is.
That is a key question. I don't think it's a black and white issue though. I don't believe being gay is a choice, anymore than being straight is. I do think homosexuality is genetic - not inherited, but in your DNA nonetheless. If that is the case, and God is omnipotent, he has a reason for this.
For these reasons, I'm unsure whether it is a sin or not. But in this particular case, that doesn't matter, IMO. No one is being asked to support his lifestyle, only to treat him as they would anyone else. Where my comment about bigotry came in is that if someone believes he should be penalized by society in some way for the sin of homosexuality, but that same person would not penalize those who commit other sins (premarital sex, lying, etc), I believe that is the behavior of a bigot.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:50 pm to AlwysATgr
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. The concern today is: 'is homosexuality sin in His eyes'? IMO, it is. And if so, then followers of Jesus are compelled to call gays to repentance - not from a stance of moral superiority but from a stance of complete forgiveness and concern for the eternal destiny of their souls and the glory of God.
Homosexuality is as much a sin in "His eyes" as eating bacon. In other words it isn't a sin. Being homosexual isn't a choice. It can't be a sin. That's stupid.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:51 pm to AlwysATgr
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And if so, then followers of Jesus are compelled to call all to repentance
FIFY
I'm pretty sure that Michael Sam wasn't carrying the sin burden by himself this year for the Tigers.
We're all broken. We're all in need of the wholeness found only in Christ.
/sermon
Apologies.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:00 am to the808bass
To those saying some are born gay, what do you base this on? What scientific study? We have searched high and low for a gay gene and do you know what we have found? Nothing. In fact they've done scientific studies of identical twins that basically disprove the gay gene entirely. I'm not saying some people are not predisposed for various reasons just that some of you have bought a huge lie with no scientific proof or evidence at all. In fact the evidence points the opposite direction.
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:01 am to tider04
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To those saying some are born gay, what do you base this on?
TIME magazine once said "Gay Gene" on the cover. That's about all we need, I'm pretty sure.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:09 am to TeLeFaWx
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It can't be a sin.
But it can be FAAAAAABULOUS
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:13 am to tider04
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To those saying some are born gay, what do you base this on?
Common sense
Who would CHOOSE to be something that gets kids kicked out of homes, shunned by friends, physically and verbally assaulted by perfect strangers and generally being a social outcast in parts of our society?
You really think people would choose that if the alternative were an option?
Also, the term "born gay" is misleading as nobody is "born" with any sort of sexuality. Babies and young children are largely asexual.
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In fact they've done scientific studies of identical twins that basically disprove the gay gene entirely.
Identical twins have the same concordance rate of homosexuality as schizophrenia, which has known genetic components.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:17 am to Roger Klarvin
That's a wonderful theory but still no proof. Let me ask you this, why does a devout Muslim convert to Christianity when he knows it will cost him his life? I've lived in a Muslim country and know some of these guys. Why would they choose the beatings? Guess they have a Christian gene and had no choice huh?
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:22 am to tider04
Btw, the whole study with identical twins has no correlation at all with a known genetic mental disorder. They have found a link in one case and no genetic link in the other case even though they have searched hard for it. The truth is if gay was in the genes thAn identical twins who share the same exact DNA sequence should always either be hetero or homo. These studies smashed that assumption that must be true for a gay gene to exist.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:23 am to tider04
I hate this thread
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:24 am to Roger Klarvin
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Who would CHOOSE to be something that gets kids kicked out of homes, shunned by friends, physically and verbally assaulted by perfect strangers and generally being a social outcast in parts of our society?
People make these sorts of illogical "choices" everyday. It's a meaningless argument.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:26 am to Roger Klarvin
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Identical twins have the same concordance rate of homosexuality as schizophrenia, which has known genetic components.
I would say that homosexuality has a genetic component. But so does being a D1 basketball player.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:35 am to the808bass
If there is a genetic component our best and brightest scientists and geneticists have failed to find it even though they have searched high and low. If they ever do find anything it will more than likely be in the form of a mutation which would prove it's a mistake by nature if you are a secular humanist or a result of the fall if you are a theist. Either way not a boost to the whole born gay argument.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:09 am to tider04
Many trolls are rooted in subconscious beliefs/ideals so I will take it you believe what you are saying. The gay gene will be found, just a matter of time. Until then look to other species that exhibit gay populations. (but I guess those dolphins chose to be gay) Humans are in fact animals so it would follow we, as a species, most certainly maintain the capacity for homosexual populations. History will look back on you in the same vein as segregationists.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:43 am to semotruman
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I don't believe being gay is a choice, anymore than being straight is.
Then you must not believe that pedophilia is a sin either. After all the exact same science, epigenetics, is saying it is exactly like that. They are suggesting that people are born that way. In fact, they want it changed to a sexual orientation.
I believe that you would also say that people do not choose to want to be with kids either.
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If that is the case, and God is omnipotent, he has a reason for this.
Nope! According to the science (yet again) it is the actions of the mother prior to birth that causes the abnormality. That's humans, not God. None the less they are born with the desire. The same as pedophiles. Are we now suggesting that would be ok?
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But in this particular case, that doesn't matter, IMO. No one is being asked to support his lifestyle, only to treat him as they would anyone else.
But he's not just anybody else. You do have issues involved here. In all seriousness, he has to shower somewhere. Knowing that he has an attraction for men, should he be allowed in the mens shower? Should he be allowed in th men's bathroom? That answer is a loud yes from the gay community and now the government.
It's not about letting him live his life, it's always about everybody else having to accept it as normal.
The example here, the bakery in Colorado. They did not believe in gay marriage, yet the court ruled they had to make a cake for a gay wedding. The people could have gone to another place. Instead they went to court.
Another case was the church with beach front property. They would not allow a gay wedding. They were sued, and they lost and was forced to allow the ceremony on their property.
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No one is being asked to support his lifestyle,
So that doesn't exactly apply.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:48 am to tider04
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That's a wonderful theory but still no proof. Let me ask you this, why does a devout Muslim convert to Christianity when he knows it will cost him his life? I've lived in a Muslim country and know some of these guys. Why would they choose the beatings? Guess they have a Christian gene and had no choice huh?
This is literally the worst analogy I've ever read.
If a devout Muslim converts to Christianity, it means its because his eternal soul is at stake and he converts believing he will attain eternal life and avoid damnation. That is worth any sort of suffering on earth if you believe it.
There is no such reward for choosing to be gay. Best case scenario, you have sex and largely get left alone...no better or worse than being straight. So I ask again: Why would a person perfectly capable of being attracted to women decided to be gay and suffer the social stigma? It's nonsense to suggest anyone would make such a choice.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:48 am to Roger Klarvin
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Common sense
hmmm.... Bookmarked..
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Who would CHOOSE to be something that gets kids kicked out of homes, shunned by friends, physically and verbally assaulted by perfect strangers and generally being a social outcast in parts of our society?
Using your same common sense and this quote. Do you actually think that men would prop up a lie even when threatened with death?
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You really think people would choose that if the alternative were an option?
Do you think that peole would prop up a lie when faced with death when there was an alternative?
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:50 am to tider04
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Btw, the whole study with identical twins has no correlation at all with a known genetic mental disorder. They have found a link in one case and no genetic link in the other case even though they have searched hard for it. The truth is if gay was in the genes thAn identical twins who share the same exact DNA sequence should always either be hetero or homo. These studies smashed that assumption that must be true for a gay gene to exist.
If your point is that there is no proof of a "gay gene" (such a stupid term) then you are correct. If your assertion is that there is no evidence suggesting that homosexuality has a genetic component, you are wrong.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:50 am to the808bass
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Who would CHOOSE to be something that gets kids kicked out of homes, shunned by friends, physically and verbally assaulted by perfect strangers and generally being a social outcast in parts of our society?
People make these sorts of illogical "choices" everyday. It's a meaningless argument.
Then I ask you the same question I did of Roger. Would a man prop up a lie to the point of costing him his life?
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