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Met a UGA grad at work today and we started talking Richt...
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:18 pm
..I observed that UGA had been an early frontrunner for Derrick Henry (which is when I first heard the name.) It occurred to me that UGA had started the year with Henry and Chubb, they'd be undefeated now and Richt would still have his job. They would likely have beaten a Henry-less Bama and had a replacement when Chubb went down early in the UT game.
Kinda makes you think about how narrow the line between success and failure is for head coaches. I know lots of LSU fans will protest, but I'm not saying this was his only problem, just that two late drives by Alabama are probably all that separates Les from the clusterfrick of the last couple weeks and from an unhappy but not openly rebellious fanbase.
Kinda makes you think about how narrow the line between success and failure is for head coaches. I know lots of LSU fans will protest, but I'm not saying this was his only problem, just that two late drives by Alabama are probably all that separates Les from the clusterfrick of the last couple weeks and from an unhappy but not openly rebellious fanbase.
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Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:20 pm to randomways
Chubb would have gone somewhere else if we had landed Henry.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:20 pm to randomways
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It occurred to me that UGA had started the year with Henry and Chubb, they'd be undefeated now
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Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:21 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:23 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Chubb would have gone somewhere else if we had landed Henry.
Okay. I thought he was one of the "loved Georgia" recruits, which is why he wasn't afraid to come in despite the incredible amount of talent UGA had at the position at the time. But a UGA fan would know better than me.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:24 pm to randomways
Spo you are assuming that Chubb would have been ahead of Henry? I hear ya!
It is more than just the player. If Saban wouldn't have gotten Henry he would have played Scarborough or had someone else. I think the loss had more to do with coaching your players after you get them on campus. I like Richt but i agree with Georgia's decision, the guy can't in the big games. maybe he will come to Bama as an OC if Kiffin leaves.
I will say this, Georgia handled the situation better than LSU handled this debacle they have created at LSU.
It is more than just the player. If Saban wouldn't have gotten Henry he would have played Scarborough or had someone else. I think the loss had more to do with coaching your players after you get them on campus. I like Richt but i agree with Georgia's decision, the guy can't in the big games. maybe he will come to Bama as an OC if Kiffin leaves.
I will say this, Georgia handled the situation better than LSU handled this debacle they have created at LSU.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:25 pm to randomways
No, he wanted to come in and share carries with Sony so he wouldn't have been overused before the NFL draft. He does love UGA and his family has always been Dawg fans but I doubt we would have landed him.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:26 pm to randomways
here is the deal. if losing 1 player makes you that much worse you have more problems than losing a player to injury. Arkansas lost thier best running back, then thier top 3 WRs. they was the best offense in the sec at the end of the year. losing chubb was not georgia's only issue.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:26 pm to BamaScoop
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I like Richt but i agree with Georgia's decision, the guy can't in the big games. maybe he will come to Bama as an OC if Kiffin leaves.
We can quibble about his coaching abilities -- he's certainly earned some of the doubts about him -- but he's turned out some good RBs. Granted, most of them were already super-talented, but he at least didn't ruin them, which is more than I can say for some coaches.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:26 pm to randomways
Let me guess, you were his boss?
Kidding.
But, I agree. Imagine if Nick Saban wouldn't have signed players X, Y, and Z at Michigan State that led to his success, or player W that made a critical play that changed the momentum in a game at Toledo. And even as it's been stated, what if Saban was able to have Brees in Miami? He may still be there.
I don't believe there is a huge difference in between schemes, practices, recruiting efforts, etc. between the top 50 coaches in America. They are all doing something that works, because if they weren't they wouldn't be a head coach.
There is a point where coaches learn the tricks of the trades and how to coach football. After that, it's up to the luck of the game.
JMO
Kidding.
But, I agree. Imagine if Nick Saban wouldn't have signed players X, Y, and Z at Michigan State that led to his success, or player W that made a critical play that changed the momentum in a game at Toledo. And even as it's been stated, what if Saban was able to have Brees in Miami? He may still be there.
I don't believe there is a huge difference in between schemes, practices, recruiting efforts, etc. between the top 50 coaches in America. They are all doing something that works, because if they weren't they wouldn't be a head coach.
There is a point where coaches learn the tricks of the trades and how to coach football. After that, it's up to the luck of the game.
JMO
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:30 pm to presidenthog
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here is the deal. if losing 1 player makes you that much worse you have more problems than losing a player to injury. Arkansas lost thier best running back, then thier top 3 WRs. they was the best offense in the sec at the end of the year. losing chubb was not georgia's only issue.
True. UGA's biggest problem was QB, something that hasn't happened often in Richt's tenure. Some of y'all are making good points about how the dominoes would likely have fallen, but I do think an offense with an injured Chubb and uninjured Henry has a lot better chance to succeed than, well, one with just an injured Chubb.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:33 pm to Neylands7Maxims
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I don't believe there is a huge difference in between schemes, practices, recruiting efforts, etc. between the top 50 coaches in America. They are all doing something that works, because if they weren't they wouldn't be a head coach.
When the off-season comes, I hope enough people can be convinced to have a real non-troll discussion about what truly separates the top coaches, including luck, approach, mindset, positional expertise, etc.
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Let me guess, you were his boss? Kidding.
Actually, he was a client. The only SEC grads I know I've been in charge of were a UK one, but she got promoted to a different branch of the company a couple months later, and two Ole Miss ones. Since half my family is OM all the way, we had some fun discussions because they knew my family would never approve of me disciplining an OM grad.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:37 pm to randomways
Chubb actually grew up a S. Carolina fan but on his 2 visits to Columbia Spurrier refused to meet him or there would have been a good possibility he could have been a gamecock.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:44 pm to presidenthog
quote:You make an excellent point. Also, there's no way to tell what type of team Alabama would have morphed into. They would have still been loaded with 4 and 5 star talent.
here is the deal. if losing 1 player makes you that much worse you have more problems than losing a player to injury. Arkansas lost thier best running back, then thier top 3 WRs. they was the best offense in the sec at the end of the year. losing chubb was not georgia's only issue.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:45 pm to presidenthog
Last yr UGA did not have Gurley, Michel, Marshall. Mitchell, Scott Wesley and Rumph for most of the yr and still lead the SEC in scoring O. Hell even Chubb broke his thumb and needed surgery, he was supposed to miss 4-6 weeks. UGA's sorry AD did not feel Bobo deserved a raise from his 500K salary and the top OC in the conference headed west.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:45 pm to randomways
We also paid almost no attention to Deshaun Watson who was playing just up the road at Gainesville HS
Posted on 11/30/15 at 5:47 pm to Dawgholio
Right down the road from me, that was a head scratcher.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 6:02 pm to randomways
The argument could be made that Richt has more often than not had better QBs at UGA than Saban has had at Bama.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 6:04 pm to presidenthog
Once again, and with some added things now:
Just overlooking the QB position, Georgia was hurt a lot more by Conley and Bennett graduating than I thought they would have. For half of the season, their best option at WR other than Mitchell was a true freshman (one that was a five star prospect and showed flashes). If that isn't a problem, I don't know what is.
Now at TE they were woefully underused as receivers, and that goes right to poor offensive coaching.
Just overlooking the QB position, Georgia was hurt a lot more by Conley and Bennett graduating than I thought they would have. For half of the season, their best option at WR other than Mitchell was a true freshman (one that was a five star prospect and showed flashes). If that isn't a problem, I don't know what is.
Now at TE they were woefully underused as receivers, and that goes right to poor offensive coaching.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 6:20 pm to Sid E Walker
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The argument could be made that Richt has more often than not had better QBs at UGA than Saban has had at Bama.
I don't think that's even an argument. Players like Greene, Stafford, Murray, Shockley vs McElroy, McCarron, Sims, Coker? McCarron is the only Bama qb from the Saban era that I'd be comfortable putting on the same list as those UGA qbs, and that's because of his extremely intelligent game-calling, decision-making, and poise rather than raw talent.
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