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re: Lutz tragedy likely the result of DUI.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:04 am to WDE24
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:04 am to WDE24
quote:My thoughts exactly
I mostly agree. It was a tragedy and several people probably made poor decisions that led to it. Taking it as a lesson as opposed to looking to assign blame is a better path, IMO.
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:05 am to lsupride87
quote:True dat
I mostly agree. It was a tragedy and several people probably made poor decisions that led to it. Taking it as a lesson as opposed to looking to assign blame is a better path, IMO.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:05 am to WDE24
I respect your opinion completely.
Too many followers are easily tempted
and attempt to emulate their leaders.
Especially a bunch of young and dumb teenagers,
pushing an envelope.
Too many followers are easily tempted
and attempt to emulate their leaders.
Especially a bunch of young and dumb teenagers,
pushing an envelope.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:06 am to WDE24
.377, that dude should have died from that level alone. Anything over .25 can put you in cardiac arrest.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:07 am to lsupride87
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I disagree. I think it is unfair to blame the drivers when you get in the car with them. If I ever get into a car with a friend thats drunk I am taking that chance myself
You can't always tell how much people are drinking and you know it. Some people handle it, at least appearance-wise, better than others.
The driver is to blame for grabbing the keys. The driver is always to blame in a DUI.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:08 am to TroyTider
quote:I understand that, but I don't think those kids are going to see this and think driving or riding drunk is ok because that is what killed Lutz.
Too many followers are easily tempted
and attempt to emulate their leaders.
Especially a bunch of young and dumb teenagers,
pushing an envelope.
That would make more sense if there were youtube videos of him over indulging being glamorized or publicized.
Hopefully, as a silver lining, this tragedy has the appropriate effect on those young, dumb teenagers and some of us older, dumb adults.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:10 am to boddagetta
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0.377
damn
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 11:11 am
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:14 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
That guy never had any idea of what happened.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:14 am to polydorr
quote:That is a terrible attitude that plaques our society today. Blame others always instead of taking responsibility yourself. My Dad would whip my arse the same way for driving drunk or riding with a friend drunk, same as I will do with my kids
The driver is to blame for grabbing the keys. The driver is always to blame in a DUI.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:14 am to WDE24
RIP Lutz
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:20 am to lsupride87
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Blame others always instead of taking responsibility yourself.
I'm not going to go further with this stupid argument, but all I am saying is that the responsibility lies with the one driving the 60/70mph 3000lb. hunk of metal.
The whole 'not getting in with a drunk driver' should go without saying. I'm just pissed that someone in here is blaming Lutz since it is in no way illegal to be drunk in the backseat of a vehicle.
He relied on his friend to get him home and his friend screwed up. Sad. The end.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:22 am to polydorr
quote:He screwed up too though. The way I look at it, they share the responsibility.
The whole 'not getting in with a drunk driver' should go without saying. I'm just pissed that someone in here is blaming Lutz since it is in no way illegal to be drunk in the backseat of a vehicle.
He relied on his friend to get him home and his friend screwed up. Sad. The end.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:22 am to polydorr
All of them were being irresponsible. It's not just the drivers fault.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:24 am to lsupride87
We don't even know if he was conscious. He could've been placed in the back seat for all we know.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:26 am to Rebelgator
quote:I would say getting so drunk you pass out is a pretty bad decision. My only point though is if you willingly get in your friends car when he is drunk, then I do not think it is fair to put all the responsibility on him. Now if he was completely unconscious, that changes this scenario.
We don't even know if he was conscious. He could've been placed in the back seat for all we know.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:28 am to lsupride87
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He screwed up too though. The way I look at it, they share the responsibility.
Lutz could have been passed out before the driver was over the limit. Would he be responsible then?
You don't know shite about what actually happened.
ETA: Posted during your reply.
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 11:29 am
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:29 am to weagle99
quote:This changes it yes. My argument was only to the guy that says it is always 100% the drivers fault. I disagree with that completely
Lutz could have been passed out before the driver was over the limit. Would he be responsible then?
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:31 am to wartiger2004
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He wasn't the one behind the wheel clown.
I don't think he was trying to knock Lutz. We're all sad about what happened. He was just saying that he was seen as a role model, and shouldn't have gotten that drunk. It was dangerous to his health. But I don't think TroyTider meant any harm against Lutz. Everyone loved Lutz.
ETA: Also worth noting that posting Lutz's bac seems unnecessary. Though I'm sure there was a reason behind it.
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 11:33 am
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:33 am to lsupride87
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I would say getting so drunk you pass out is a pretty bad decision
Naturally, but I'm not going to sit on a high horse and act like I've never done that before.
It's a shitty situation. I can say I've been lucky that the people I was with when I did drink excessively was dependable enough to still be the DD at the end of the night when they said they were going to be before I started drinking my arse off. Especially when I was at no point to knowingly judge who was and wasn't drunk.
It's an unfortunate decision to make. But shouldn't change the positive things Lutz has done when he wasn't behind the wheel.
ETA: I've also helped make sure friends got home when that drunk and sometimes required physically putting them in the car, which could've been the case as well.0
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 11:36 am
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:37 am to polydorr
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Lutz was clearly drunk off his arse, but he wasn't driving. Are people here really implying Lutz had some fault in this?
I mean you're right as in the wreck wasn't his fault, but getting as drunk as he was does present some level of fault. Had he not been that drunk maybe he would have had the state of mind to call a cab or not let his friend drive drunk, who knows. It's a sad situation all around regardless. I mean that BAC alone is potentially fatal, with or without the wreck.
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 11:39 am
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