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re: Lunardi's 2017-18 Bracketology

Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:45 pm to
Posted by DAbully
Syria
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:45 pm to
Lunardi is quickly becoming my most despised talking head.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:46 pm to
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He's countering with a shiny hook of his own. Y'all don't get sucked into another Bama Auburn basketball fight. Bowl will be here shortly to provoke further.


No need to fight. Both teams have sights on the NCAAT next year. Arguments can easily made for and against both, but the fact that there are "for" arguments is a step up.

I'll say it for the 200th time, if we don't make the NCAAT next year I will mark the year as a disappointment.
Posted by GreyReb
Member since Jun 2010
3901 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:50 pm to
Book it...Ole Miss making the dance next year.
Posted by Central Pork
Member since Jul 2014
1286 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:51 pm to
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LSU is a projected 11 seed in the field for 2020.


That's funny. Lunardi is making a good living trolling the whole fricking country. Which is a great country, BTW.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40951 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:51 pm to
It is not hard at all to make the tournament in basketball.

Teams like Seton Hall, Providence and Miami were flat out bad basketball teams for long stretches of the season and made the field. Vandy's resume was pretty horrible for 3/4 of the season last year and they waltzed in to the field.

I understand some of the coaches walked in to bad situations but it should not take longer than 3-4 years just to make the tourney.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:54 pm to
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It is not hard at all to make the tournament in basketball.


Yea, I don't see why anyone would think any of the teams who were pretty solid but not great in the SEC this year that return most of their players wouldn't have a decent shot at the NCAAT next year.

Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama and Mississippi State should all be better teams.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:57 pm to
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They finished 56th in KenPom,



UVA finished 12th in KenPom post tournament. Probably should have told Florida that


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add the most electric recruit in the country .


I didn't realize Michael Porter decided to go to Alabama. That definitely is a difference maker.

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Not sure how they were "overrated".


Normally when you rack up most of your wins against SEC seeds #12-14 + OOC cupcakes, you are overrated. Just look at Mizz Football 2013/2014

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I don't think it's a stretch at all to see them as a 10 or 11 seed.


I can see optimistically NIT #1 seed, probably a 2 or a 3 though with some quality wins here and there


This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:00 pm to
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GenesChin


Oh, sorry, didn't really I was dealing with the Hyde version of Chin.

Proceed.


Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41622 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:00 pm to
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I see us more of a 2-3 seed as we haven't finished the season out very strong under White yet.


We finished the season fine sans Vandy.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:03 pm to
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Oh, sorry, didn't really I was dealing with the Hyde version of Chin.



If it makes you feel better, I don't think Auburn makes the NCAAT despite adding two ~top 50 players + returning more talent than Alabama


Whether you agree or not, I still view AU as a better team than Alabama


This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:06 pm to
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If it makes you feel better, I don't think Auburn makes the NCAAT despite adding two ~top 50 players + returning more talent than Alabama


I think Auburn, like the other teams mentioned earlier, has the raw parts to make the NCAA Tournament.

Most of the girth of the SEC will teeter between 40-60 RPI. It will just depend who wins a few OOC games and snags a big win or two in league. All of those teams have the roster to be able to do that. All of them also have the chance to go 17-14 and go to the NIT.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:08 pm to
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Whether you agree or not, I still view AU as a better team than Alabama


They were a better team last year in a 1 vs 1 matchup scenario for sure. I think their resume was clearly not as good, but who really gives a shite when comparing two teams that weren't awful but weren't good I guess.

I won't pretend to know how the new additions/departures/philosophical tweaks will change Auburn, but I anticipate Alabama will be different stylistically this coming season. No idea how that will specifically apply to an individual matchup with Auburn (don't really care, in the big picture).

This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 4:10 pm
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36723 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:14 pm to
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Whether you agree or not, I still view AU as a better team than Alabama

We were last year. Not sure about next year. Bama still returns some solid players while adding two pieces they needed badly. Had Bama had any playmakers last year, they could've gone far.

Plus I'm not sure that Bruce can develop players better than Avery.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:15 pm to
No Mizzou = list is shite
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:28 pm to
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but who really gives a shite when comparing two teams that weren't awful but weren't good I guess.


In the context of me qualifying it as "I didn't have AU who returns more + adds pieces in the NCAAT so I definitely don't see a worse team jumping them" it is really relevant

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but I anticipate Alabama will be different stylistically this coming season.


Making that type of style change to accommodate a couple freshmen doesn't say "confidence" in picking them for NCAAT
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 4:30 pm
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40951 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:31 pm to
Why would you not expect Auburn to make it?
Posted by InThroughTheOutDore
Middle TN
Member since Nov 2008
7383 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:32 pm to
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We finished the season fine sans Vandy.


Yes, well, it sucks for you, but those games still count...
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:37 pm to
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In the context of me qualifying it as "I didn't have AU who returns more + adds pieces in the NCAAT so I definitely don't see a worse team jumping them" it is really relevant


I mean, Auburn had Alabama's number last year, but Auburn was by zero metric a better overall basketball team than Alabama. And at some point I'm not convinced the pieces that 247 had ranked in the Top 50 at Auburn are a great sum of the parts. ESPN had Auburn's classes ranked 18th and 29th. I think there is a chance those guys are much more in line with those recruiting rankings than 247s. I don't know. Next year is the test I think.

So I guess no, I don't think Auburn returns that much more and their incoming pieces are not nearly as dynamic as Alabama's. And they don't return a single player as dynamic as Sexton. And, this being college basketball, that is a huge difference, especially when that player has the ball in his hand every possession up top.

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Making that type of style change to accommodate a couple freshmen doesn't say "confidence" in picking them for NCAAT


Playing faster like we did the 2nd half of the season and not being in the deep 200s in TOP and pace is adapting back to the style that CAJ has wanted to play from day 1. We'll just have the cast to be able to do it this year without hemorrhaging turnovers. We aren't switching from the Carril back cut to the fun n gun.



In conclusion, I think Alabama and Auburn (along with Tennessee and MSU) will be solid basketball teams with a chance to make the NCAA Tournament next year. I'm not sure why this seems to lodge a stick directly up your rear.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 4:43 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:43 pm to
I also will add - I hope Auburn has a good year and makes the NCAAT. I can honestly, in clear conscience, say that I don't really care and certainly don't actively root against Auburn in basketball.

The biggest goal, outside of our individual program, is for the entire conference to continue to improve and show strength. Once we are all awesome then I can zero in on hating specific programs again.
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
13454 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:47 pm to
If Robinson comes back a one seed is realistic

If he doesn't I think we'll be more like a 3/4 seed again

If I had to predict:

UK - 2 seed
UF - 3 seed
Bama - 7 seed
Arkansas - 7 seed
South Carolina - 8 seed
Texas A&M - 9 seed
Vanderbilt - 11 seed

Ole Miss - first four out
Georgia - next four out

Missouri and Tennessee also in NIT

Auburn, Mississippi State, and LSU miss postseason

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