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Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:34 pm to allin2010
They need to do something. When you lose more than 2x the number of underclassmen as the next team, in a conference that breeds NFL talent, you are doing something extremely wrong.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:34 pm to TexasAg13
I don't think it's a locker room problem at all. LSU has some elite guys start playing early. LSU will play a ton of freshman this year. Over the last 5 years, LSU has played more freshman than any other team in the country. After 3 years of actually contributing at the NCAA level, you are probably ready to move on.
Some of the guys who declared last year knew they were gonna be buried in the depth chart and obviously didn't care enough to get their diploma. There are plenty of reasons why someone would leave early and test the NFL waters, but I don't think the reason is in the locker room, unless you count younger players taking their spots.
Some of the guys who declared last year knew they were gonna be buried in the depth chart and obviously didn't care enough to get their diploma. There are plenty of reasons why someone would leave early and test the NFL waters, but I don't think the reason is in the locker room, unless you count younger players taking their spots.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:38 pm to RTR America
quote:7 players is 15% more.
A WHOLE 7 PLAYERS!!!!
That is a big difference if you understand basic math.
However, you are a bama fan so I should cut you some slack with that area. You probably think your football team has 15 national championships too.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:39 pm to TexasAg13
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TexasAg13
Locker Room Problem at LSU?
When thinking about the NFL draft and the rate at which underclassmen are now declaring,it got me thinking which SEC schools have lost the most underclassmen talent to the NFL over the last 2 draft class.
LSU - 17
Florida - 8
Alabama - 7
Tennessee - 5
A&M - 4
Georgia - 3
Auburn - 3
Missouri - 3
Arkansas - 2
I knew LSU had lost a lot of players, but I didn't imagine it would be twice as much as the next team. I know LSU has and will continue to have talent, but the margin isn't that large. Alabama has just as many talented young players, but they see to make the choice to stay in school.
So the question is, are these kids being smart and getting paid while they can, or is there a locker room issue at LSU that's causing these kids to leave?
And what about the previous 6 draft classes under Miles ????????????????????????????????
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:40 pm to TexasAg13
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When you can't win 10 games with your GOAT and two other 1st round draft picks, you are doing something extremely wrong.
FIFY
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:40 pm to TexasAg13
quote:Wrong? Like what? Developing players too early? I'm sorry your coach sucks at it.
When you lose more than 2x the number of underclassmen as the next team, in a conference that breeds NFL talent, you are doing something extremely wrong.
It's always amusing to hear the idiotic rationale from people who swear this somehow casts a negative light on our program.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:43 pm to SECdragonmaster
I bet the numbers would look a little different since 2007. Probably about even. I'm sure one of you nerds care enough to look it up.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:44 pm to SECdragonmaster
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7 players is 15% more.
That is a big difference if you understand basic math.
However, you are a bama fan so I should cut you some slack with that area. You probably think your football team has 15 national championships too.
Oh shite you got me.
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I bet the numbers would look a little different since 2007. Probably about even. I'm sure one of you nerds care enough to look it up.
And exclude Saban coached LSU players
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:50 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
Freak disagrees
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:51 pm to TexasAg13
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So it's just bad advice?
no it's being afraid of getting hurt as well as the new pay slot structure. players don't benefit from staying their senior year as much as they used to. your big payday generally comes on that 2nd contract, so why not start that clock sooner?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:52 pm to TexasAg13
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Freak disagrees
1 player out of 7.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:52 pm to RTR America
"Saban coached players" were no longer Saban coached players the day Saban left for Miami. Do you know how ignorant your comment sounds or are you just trying to get a bite?
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:53 pm to RTR America
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And exclude Saban coached LSU players
then you're gonna need to remove pretty much any alabama player drafted prior to 2010. that cool with you?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:58 pm to TexasAg13
Oh, the guy currently on an NFL roster?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:01 pm to TexasAg13
Just my thoughts:
1. LSU has played a lot of freshman over the last 5 or so years. Generally if they're good enough to get significant PT that early, then they're good enough to leave college early.
2. I would imagine that the large majority of HS kids who go on to play at all SEC schools think they are going to be in the NFL in 3 years. I think the coaching staff at LSU kind of embraces that thought process rather than cautioning against it by basically telling the HS recruits from the outset that if their plan is to turn pro after 3 years, then the staff isn't going to push to persuade them not to. It probably leads to some guys leaving early who would be better off staying in college, but I think it also helps bring in the elite players. The mindset is that the coaches want the players to be good enough to leave early
1. LSU has played a lot of freshman over the last 5 or so years. Generally if they're good enough to get significant PT that early, then they're good enough to leave college early.
2. I would imagine that the large majority of HS kids who go on to play at all SEC schools think they are going to be in the NFL in 3 years. I think the coaching staff at LSU kind of embraces that thought process rather than cautioning against it by basically telling the HS recruits from the outset that if their plan is to turn pro after 3 years, then the staff isn't going to push to persuade them not to. It probably leads to some guys leaving early who would be better off staying in college, but I think it also helps bring in the elite players. The mindset is that the coaches want the players to be good enough to leave early
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:03 pm to RTR America
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RTR America
Locker Room Problem at LSU?
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And exclude Saban coached LSU players
WTF does that even mean ???? Many of the "Saban-coached" players that Miles started coaching in 2005 NEVER GOT OFF THE BENCH under Saban.
For a coach to come in cold and coach players he had never even MET, much less recruited, and lead them through the Katrina on-campus triage, and TWELVE CONSECTUTUVE GAMES without a bye week, and lead them to the SECCG is pretty fricking impressive....
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:10 pm to lsufball19
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then you're gonna need to remove pretty much any alabama player drafted prior to 2010. that cool with you?
Yes, which is why this whole argument always annoys me.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:18 pm to RTR America
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Yes, which is why this whole argument always annoys me.
agreed. i'll make the argument simple. saban and miles put more players in the nfl than anyone else. it's ignorant and stupid to say either one of them doesn't develop nfl talent at an alarming rate
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:31 pm to TexasAg13
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TexasAg13
Locker Room Problem at LSU?
When thinking about the NFL draft and the rate at which underclassmen are now declaring,it got me thinking which SEC schools have lost the most underclassmen talent to the NFL over the last 2 draft class.
LSU also has graduated a larger % of their football players in the last few years than any other SEC team except Vanderbilt.
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